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Jai Maharaj interviewed by Rediff about 'Eyes Wide Shut' [1999]
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DMJoshi
2010-11-25 14:04:25 UTC
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Source -http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
Dhanyavaad Dr. Jai Maharaj !
Yes it is a Rediff page and there are Jai Maharaj and Hawai in it.

Now to find out if he is a white wannabe Hindu.

He is Christian because of his excessive McCarthy-ism.

There is also his birth certificate posted by P.Rajah.
Check the thread
Who could have converted Jay Stevens to Hinduism?

In face of his praise for USA fighting Islamic-Terrorism any Indian
worth his salt will recognise him as anti-Indian which most white
Christians and USA and UK have been 99% of the time.

To that extent I pity this Ramachandra Abhyankar having to thank Jay
Stevens at least once a day, almost as a ritual.
Art Sowers
2010-11-25 15:52:53 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Source -http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
Dhanyavaad Dr. Jai Maharaj !
Yes it is a Rediff page and there are Jai Maharaj and Hawai in it.
Oh, I was very curious to see this. So, I went to the website. Big fucking
deal, "speaking from Hawai" (means a telephone call). No pictures of Jai
Maharaj. So, he told them, too, he is "Dr. Jai" and they did not check(?).

Here is the whole article, with asterisks where he is mentioned.

Besides you can't make almost any movie without some people getting
pissed.

He makes a big deal out of letters not published. Big deal, most magazines
get too many to publish anyway.

Now, see if American Gita Society has a website.

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http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
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'Eyes Wide Shut': Plenty of Cyberspace Barks But Where Is the Bite?

Aseem Chhabra in New York

Almost ten years ago, while walking on Fifth Avenue in the heart of New
York City, I encountered one of the most frightening scenes of my life:
hundreds of South Asian Muslims marching with placards and screaming
slogans 'Kill Rushdie, Kill', 'Death to Rushdie'. There were men in
Western clothes and traditional salwars and kurtas, and women in burqas.
The most frightening thing was that they all looked like me.

The impact of the global force of Muslim anger against Salman Rushdie's
book Satanic Verses, is well known. There were bomb threats, book
burnings, banning of the book, killing of those associated with the book
and most important, ten years of a life in hiding for the Indian-born
writer.

In 1986, I saw a very different kind of protest. A peaceful group of nuns,
holding rosaries and placards outside an art movie house in Beverly Hills,
protesting against Jean-Luc Godard's attempt to humanize the Virgin
Mary in Je Vous Salue, Marie (or Hail Mary). The film and the
controversy attracted some attention, but it died a natural death, befitting
a small French film that hardly any American saw.

It is now the summer of 1999, and number of fundamentalist (and plain,
religious) Hindus in the United States seem to be angered by the use of a
shloka from the Gita during the now infamous orgy scene in Stanley
Kubrick's swan song Eyes Wide Shut. Countless hours, time and energy
have been spent on various websites and discussion lists debating and
discussing the issue.

Some say the film is an insult to Hindu religion, cultural and religious
heritage, while the liberals state that calling for the removal of the shloka
from the film's amounts to resorting to cultural fascism.

My favorite was a debate on the South Asian Journalists Association's
discussion list last week. One Mahadevan Shezian wrote in his posting:

'There is no philosophical difference between a Mahmud Ghazanavi
demolishing Somnath (umpteen times) and a Kubrick defiling Gita
shlokas in his third-rate movie. Yesterday's Ghaznavi lives in today's
Kubrick (or whatever the hell this man's name is).'

On the other side of the fence, Veena Oldenburg, a New York City-based
academic said: 'This form of Hinduism is a nineteenth century creation,
and to rush to its defense, if Kubrick or anyone else grabs a tiny fragment
of it and uses it out of context, is futile and in spirit un-Hindu.'

In the another posting, Shezian said: 'Unless the Hindus retaliate in full
force such type of behavior will not change. Being nice does not pay.'

So I ask Shezian and his co-believers, what made them not go beyond the
cyberspace and conduct organized protest against the film's producers,
Warner Bros? Two years ago, an organized effort by the American Hindu
Anti-Defamation Coalition (a Vishwa Hindu Parishad supported outfit)
resulted in Sony Music changing the cover of an Aerosmith album.
Similar protests by the Arab-American community resulted in Disney
changing the lyrics to a song in the 1992 hit animation film, Aladdin.

But where are our desi-Hindu brothers now?

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Dr Jai Maharaj, secretary of the American Gita Society, has been
following this controversy since the release of Kubrick's film last month.
Speaking from Hawaii he said there were letters written to Time magazine
(both the magazine and Warner Bros are owned by media conglomerate
Time-Warner) by leaders of Hindu groups in the US. However, it appears
the magazine chose not to publish the letters.

Maharaj also read a letter written by a Hindu student in the US to the film
studio. The writer of the 'Dear Warner Bros' letter threatened to boycott
all future Warner films if the studio did not remove the recitation of the
Gita shloka from the film. One can only imagine how far that 'Dear
Warner Bros' letter would reach within the vast bureaucratic structure of
the Burbank, CA-based studio.

Maharaj added that while surfing the Net he had seen pictures of a group
protesting outside a movie theater in Los Angeles where Eyes Wide Shut
was showing. The protestors reportedly belonged to a rival group to the
International Society of Krishna Consciousness (better known as the Hare
Krishna people), he said.
*******************************
*******************************

However, Nancy Kirkpatrick, senior vice-president of theatrical publicity
at Warner Bros, said she was not aware of any complaints against the
film. "All this is news to me," she said, adding it was a part of her
responsibility to track all organized letters, demonstrations and campaigns
against any Warner theatrical film.

Skeptics might argue that it would be futile to ask Warner Bros to make a
change to Eyes Wide Shut, given the contractual conditions that Kubrick
had set on the studio, including that no portion of the film could be altered
after his final edit. However, it is a well known fact that in order to avoid
the deathly NC-17 rating, the studio used 65 seconds of computerized
images to partially cover up the nudity in the orgy scene (the same scene
where the Gita shlokas are recited) in the film.

The studio proved that even a Stanley Kubrick work is not altogether
sacrosanct and it could make a change in the director's final vision if the
film's commercial viability was at stake. Perhaps then, it is safe to assume
that the fundamentalist Hindu lobby (which so successfully affected the
might of Sony Music in 1997) is still not strong enough to be a financial
threat to Warner Bros. A few letters to Time magazine and Hare Krishna
type protests do not shake the empire that Jack Warner built.

Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16 to mostly positive reviews. It was
the number one movie at the box office in the opening weekend, having
grossed an impressive $ 25 million. Since then, in the next two weeks, the
film's box office has plummeted by 55 per cent. Maybe Mahadevan
Shezian can take comfort in the fact that Hinduism will outlive its last
great threat at the end of 20th century.

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Post by DMJoshi
Now to find out if he is a white wannabe Hindu.
Get your money into airplane tickets and fly to Hawaii and go find him. It
should not be hard. Private investigators guarantee to find anyone.
Post by DMJoshi
He is Christian because of his excessive McCarthy-ism.
How do you get this when all he posts is anti-Christian?
Post by DMJoshi
There is also his birth certificate posted by P.Rajah.
Where is this? I'd like to see that, too.
Post by DMJoshi
Check the thread
Who could have converted Jay Stevens to Hinduism?
OK, you write a book on him.
Post by DMJoshi
In face of his praise for USA fighting Islamic-Terrorism any Indian
worth his salt will recognise him as anti-Indian
Where do you get this?

which most white
Post by DMJoshi
Christians and USA and UK have been 99% of the time.
What do you think about black Christians? YOu know they exist too.

USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Post by DMJoshi
To that extent I pity this Ramachandra Abhyankar having to thank Jay
Stevens at least once a day, almost as a ritual.
So, call up rediff and ask them what phone number was on their caller ID
and call Mahraj yourself, and tell us if he is "real Indian/Hindu" or
white trash.
Knows ALL
2010-11-25 16:07:23 UTC
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Jai is an "astrologer" fake type of individual. Since 1992-3 more or
fuckin' less! :-) From USENET's alt.astrology. Look it up (or better
still, don't!) Ha! :-)
Art Sowers
2010-11-25 16:56:42 UTC
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Jai is an "astrologer" fake type of individual. Since 1992-3 more or fuckin'
less! :-) From USENET's alt.astrology. Look it up (or better still, don't!)
Ha! :-)
here is what someone else said about "dr jai"....

======================

I did not write the following.....

-----------------------------------
Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj, adorning his false name
with a false title, pretends to engage himself for the Hindu
community while all he cares for is the money he makes
via his astrological enterprise, fishing for Hindu clients,
because the Hindi are numerous, and especially prone
to superstition, he believes. A sociopath fools people
about his intentions while pursuing his own interests.
Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj is a classical sociopath.
He believes that he found the almost perfect scheme of
turning even child abuse into money. And he most freely
abuses our scientific forum of sci.lang. He is now leading
his second long-time attack on our scientific forum, more
aggressively than ever. Must have to do with the approaching
year 2012 that makes astrologers crazy and creep out of
their holes: another magic year to freighten people and thus
make money!
ABC Guy
2010-11-25 17:13:26 UTC
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I, like the other poster, know (what a coincidence) that Jai is Jay
Stevens, megalomaniac "par excellence" in USENET.

He's a *complete* and ignorant *idiot*, plain and simple.

---
Me
Post by Art Sowers
here is what someone else said about "dr jai"....
-----------------------------------
Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj, adorning his false name
with a false title, pretends to engage himself for the Hindu
community while all he cares for is the money he makes
via his astrological enterprise, fishing for Hindu clients,
because the Hindi are numerous, and especially prone
to superstition, he believes. A sociopath fools people
about his intentions while pursuing his own interests.
Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj is a classical sociopath.
He believes that he found the almost perfect scheme of
turning even child abuse into money. And he most freely
abuses our scientific forum of sci.lang. He is now leading
his second long-time attack on our scientific forum, more
aggressively than ever. Must have to do with the approaching
year 2012 that makes astrologers crazy and creep out of
their holes: another magic year to freighten people and thus
make money!
Art Sowers
2010-11-26 00:56:23 UTC
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He (Jai Maharaj/Stevens) really has got a lot of problems. That's for
sure.

I, and others, have asked, openly, "who likes Maharaj" and get little or
no response, but if you look for how many dislike the guy, you'll get a
lot of serious negative sentiment.

/////////////////////////////////
I, like the other poster, know (what a coincidence) that Jai is Jay Stevens,
megalomaniac "par excellence" in USENET.
He's a *complete* and ignorant *idiot*, plain and simple.
---
Me
Post by Art Sowers
here is what someone else said about "dr jai"....
-----------------------------------
Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj, adorning his false name
with a false title, pretends to engage himself for the Hindu
community while all he cares for is the money he makes
via his astrological enterprise, fishing for Hindu clients,
because the Hindi are numerous, and especially prone
to superstition, he believes. A sociopath fools people
about his intentions while pursuing his own interests.
Jay Stevens alias Dr. Jai Maharaj is a classical sociopath.
He believes that he found the almost perfect scheme of
turning even child abuse into money. And he most freely
abuses our scientific forum of sci.lang. He is now leading
his second long-time attack on our scientific forum, more
aggressively than ever. Must have to do with the approaching
year 2012 that makes astrologers crazy and creep out of
their holes: another magic year to freighten people and thus
make money!
gandikotam
2010-11-26 11:44:52 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
He (Jai Maharaj/Stevens) really has got a lot of problems. That's for
sure.
I, and others, have asked, openly, "who likes Maharaj" and get little or
no response, but if you look for how many dislike the guy, you'll get a
lot of serious negative sentiment.
Jai has lot of admirers lurking in the groups.
Art Sowers
2010-11-26 14:01:57 UTC
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Post by gandikotam
Post by Art Sowers
He (Jai Maharaj/Stevens) really has got a lot of problems. That's for
sure.
I, and others, have asked, openly, "who likes Maharaj" and get little or
no response, but if you look for how many dislike the guy, you'll get a
lot of serious negative sentiment.
Jai has lot of admirers lurking in the groups.
Why do they say nothing?
P. Rajah
2010-11-26 19:00:02 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
Post by gandikotam
Post by Art Sowers
He (Jai Maharaj/Stevens) really has got a lot of problems. That's for
sure.
I, and others, have asked, openly, "who likes Maharaj" and get little or
no response, but if you look for how many dislike the guy, you'll get a
lot of serious negative sentiment.
Jai has lot of admirers lurking in the groups.
Why do they say nothing?
They seem to be singularly lacking in vocabulary, beyond "dhanyavaad" or
"you are welcome". They also suffer from multiple-personality disorder,
which makes them seem more numerous than they actually are. One of them,
"harmony" aka pradip parekh, seems to have been soundly spanked by his
wife for neglecting his domestic duties, and barred from the internet.
Art Sowers
2010-11-26 19:31:40 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
Post by gandikotam
Post by Art Sowers
He (Jai Maharaj/Stevens) really has got a lot of problems. That's for
sure.
I, and others, have asked, openly, "who likes Maharaj" and get little or
no response, but if you look for how many dislike the guy, you'll get a
lot of serious negative sentiment.
Jai has lot of admirers lurking in the groups.
Why do they say nothing?
They seem to be singularly lacking in vocabulary, beyond "dhanyavaad" or "you
are welcome". They also suffer from multiple-personality disorder, which
makes them seem more numerous than they actually are. One of them, "harmony"
aka pradip parekh, seems to have been soundly spanked by his wife for
neglecting his domestic duties, and barred from the internet.
Well, those are interesting hypotheses.

Oh, yes, I remember "harmony." Jai's admirers lurking? Too passive drones,
hypnotized, or similar "supremacists," too?

Sure seems like anti-Jai voices are pretty loud, and what about pro-Jai
voices? Where are they? What reasons do they give to admire Jai? Are they
addicted to astrology forecasts? Or lonely for Hindu ambience?

However, to be fair, I am also aware that some Americans follow "cult
thinking," too.

Cults in the US have an interesting psychological sociology: dominating
leaders who find submissive followers (eg. Charles Manson, etc). To get
poor victims of cultism out of cult requires "deprogrammers" (look by
google for more) as practical "excorcism" from non-religeous brainwashing.

We had this Rajneeshe guy from India (story was that India kicked him out
of India for some reason(s)) so he came to US, and set up a "commune" in
Oregon, and got rich suckers to come to "paradise" complete with turning
over all their money to Rajneeshe, and then he bought many Rolls-Royce
cars, and the "commune cops" had machine guns to keep rich suckers (now
poor) from escaping. Some other funny things happened and the US govt
kicked Rajneeshe out (he went back to India, and disappeared).

They had his "girlfriend" (a younger, attractive, smart Indian) on CBS "60
minutes" TV many years ago, defending very brilliantly everything
Rajneeshe did. For some reason Rajneeshe himself would not be interviewed.
It was a scandal. I may not have all details totally correct, just the general
picture. Anyone else is invited to add.

I do not blame India, Indians for Rajneeshe. We have born-in-USA nutcases
in US, too. eg. Rush Limbaugh. Also, skinheads (Nazis), Moonies, ...
weirdos, crackpots, all born in USA. Even a few radical right wing
Christians. But, most mainstream Christian thinking in USA is very
tollerant. I don't know about Christian prosyletization in India, but all
I hear is a lot of violent conflict in India between religions (and shit
on lower castes by higher castes).
Boltbus Driver
2010-11-26 20:12:31 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
tollerant. I don't know about Christian prosyletization in India, but all
I hear is a lot of violent conflict in India between religions (and shit
on lower castes by higher castes).
I can help you out here. Christian 'missionary' activity in India is very
much there. In a matter of decades the entire north east of India
has been converted to Christianity. With Sonia Gandhi (unofficially she
runs Congress, herself a devout Italian Catholic) at the helm, it has
only encouraged some unprofessional missionaries to convert by hook
or crook. E.g, in Karnataka few yrs back, they were caught selling
books Satya Darshini (Truth Display) wherein Hindu gods were abused
left-n-right. Result was some Hindus turned violent in their protest.
Same in Orissa.

Pls note that overwhelming majority of Indian Christians are nice,
peaceful people and they have contributed a lot towards India.
But some scums, actively encouraged by Sonia amma, have restored
to disgusting techniques, for which sometimes they are taught some
lesson. That's why anti christian-ism in India is very very sporadic.
In fact dalits are treated much worse.

BTW do read about Christian missionaries in South Korea and their
methodology. The rapidly shrinking Buddhist are understandably pissed.

ps: Pls ignore Rajah's reply to this. He is an Indian Christian :-)
P. Rajah
2010-11-26 22:01:16 UTC
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Post by Boltbus Driver
Post by Art Sowers
tollerant. I don't know about Christian prosyletization in India, but all
I hear is a lot of violent conflict in India between religions (and shit
on lower castes by higher castes).
I can help you out here. Christian 'missionary' activity in India is very
much there. In a matter of decades the entire north east of India
has been converted to Christianity. With Sonia Gandhi (unofficially she
runs Congress, herself a devout Italian Catholic) at the helm, it has
only encouraged some unprofessional missionaries to convert by hook
or crook. E.g, in Karnataka few yrs back, they were caught selling
books Satya Darshini (Truth Display) wherein Hindu gods were abused
left-n-right. Result was some Hindus turned violent in their protest.
Same in Orissa.
Pls note that overwhelming majority of Indian Christians are nice,
peaceful people and they have contributed a lot towards India.
But some scums, actively encouraged by Sonia amma, have restored
to disgusting techniques, for which sometimes they are taught some
lesson. That's why anti christian-ism in India is very very sporadic.
In fact dalits are treated much worse.
BTW do read about Christian missionaries in South Korea and their
methodology. The rapidly shrinking Buddhist are understandably pissed.
ps: Pls ignore Rajah's reply to this. He is an Indian Christian :-)
In other words, you do not want any other point of view presented! You
know what, go ahead, do/say whatever you want to. I'm getting real tired
of all the shit, which is ultimately to the detriment of India. The
BJP/RSS/VHP combine will comprehensively trash India, and people like
you with your myopic views will have aided that.

If someone or some organization is doing something illegal, then there
are _legal avenues of redress_. Attacking, killing, raping, burning
people because of alleged insults is not the hallmark of a civilized
people. The saffron sangh and its supporters are the most uncivilized
people in India.

Now wait for the knee-jerk "what about this country or that", or "try it
in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia" reactions of the uncomprehending idiots.
Boltbus Driver
2010-11-26 22:36:19 UTC
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Post by P. Rajah
In other words, you do not want any other point of view presented! You
you first write the above...


and then you in the same sentence, you write this below
Post by P. Rajah
know what, go ahead, do/say whatever you want to. I'm getting real tired
of all the shit, which is ultimately to the detriment of India. The
BJP/RSS/VHP combine will comprehensively trash India, and people like
you with your myopic views will have aided that.
so according to your brilliant logic, anyone who explains
his disgust with the tactics adopted by missionaries to meet
their sales target is automatically a RSS/VHP supporter?

FYI I dislike them too. What makes you think I will support
their antics against Valentine's day, or jihad against women
drinking in bar.
P. Rajah
2010-11-27 02:14:46 UTC
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Post by Boltbus Driver
Post by P. Rajah
In other words, you do not want any other point of view presented! You
you first write the above...
and then you in the same sentence, you write this below
And why shouldn't I? I didn't say I wasn't going to do it, I said that
_you_ didn't want me to!
Post by Boltbus Driver
Post by P. Rajah
know what, go ahead, do/say whatever you want to. I'm getting real tired
of all the shit, which is ultimately to the detriment of India. The
BJP/RSS/VHP combine will comprehensively trash India, and people like
you with your myopic views will have aided that.
so according to your brilliant logic, anyone who explains
his disgust with the tactics adopted by missionaries to meet
their sales target is automatically a RSS/VHP supporter?
FYI I dislike them too. What makes you think I will support
their antics against Valentine's day, or jihad against women
drinking in bar.
Because you subscribe to their tactics of violence rather than legal
redress.
Boltbus Driver
2010-11-27 11:21:20 UTC
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Post by P. Rajah
Because you subscribe to their tactics of violence rather than legal
redress.
oh in that case you must be subscribing to missionary tactics
of abusing other religions and provoking them to hit back.

And which legal redress you are talking about? Like banning
all missionaries and kicking them out of India. Let enlightened
folks convert to Christianity on their own, or for that matter
Islam, like Dilip Sekhar became AR Rahman.

You are outright dishonest if you think that missionaries, who
are no different from salesperson, will be 'nice' and 'tolerant'
towards other religions.
P. Rajah
2010-11-27 15:26:12 UTC
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Post by Boltbus Driver
Post by P. Rajah
Because you subscribe to their tactics of violence rather than legal
redress.
oh in that case you must be subscribing to missionary tactics
of abusing other religions and provoking them to hit back.
There's abuse on both sides. Even more importantly, there is significant
abuse of certain segments of Hindu society by other segments, which you
also seem to ignore. As for "hitting back", a sanghi outfit called
"Bharat Jagriti Morcho" publishes pamphlets containing anti-Christian
rhetoric and egregiously offensive misrepresentations of biblical
references. Have Christians all over India gone on a rampage over this?

Jay Stevens Maharaj, who is affiliated with the VHP, has made these
offensive claims:
JESUS AND SOME DISCIPLES WERE HOMOSEXUALS
JESUS USED CANNABIS
JESUS, CHRISTIANS AGAINST PEACE
Jesus ate magic mushrooms At Last Supper
JESUS' TERRORIST MISSION MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE
JESUS DRANK URINE
JESUS CHRIST EXECUTED FOR MURDER
JESUS OR ELVIS REINCARNATES AS FLOATING WOMAN IN HAWAII
JESUS SENT THE VIRUS
JESUS HUNG AROUND WITH HOOKERS
Jesus Called 'King of Queers'
JESUS CHRIST WAS A COMMIE
Christian God is a murderer!
CHRIST HATES YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!

Now replace "Jesus" or "Christ" with your choice of Rama, Krishna,
Buddha, etc., and what would your reaction be if a Christian poster to
USENET had posted that?

To make it a bit more stark, let me actually transpose here:
KRISHNA AND SOME DISCIPLES WERE HOMOSEXUALS
RAMA USED CANNABIS
RAMA, HINDUS AGAINST PEACE
Buddha ate magic mushrooms
RAMA'S TERRORIST MISSION MENTIONED IN THE RAMAYANA
BUDDHA DRANK URINE
RAMA EXECUTED FOR MURDER
KRISHNA OR ELVIS REINCARNATES AS FLOATING WOMAN IN HAWAII
RAMA SENT THE VIRUS
KRISHNA HUNG AROUND WITH HOOKERS
Rama Called 'King of Queers'
BUDDHA WAS A COMMIE
Hindu God is a murderer!
BUDDHA HATES YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!

And you will find many websites claiming to be "Hindu" writing even more
outrageous crap, not being constrained at all. So let's not talk about
being "provoked" into violence.
Post by Boltbus Driver
And which legal redress you are talking about? Like banning
all missionaries and kicking them out of India. Let enlightened
folks convert to Christianity on their own, or for that matter
Islam, like Dilip Sekhar became AR Rahman.
Folks cannot get "enlightened" unless they have access. That is what
freedom of religion is about. You can't have someone become a physicist
if he/she has never read a science textbook, can you? Are you being
elitist by saying that only western-educated(i.e., the "Macaulites")
Indians have the right to consider conversion? No doubt the inferior
"others" will be told by the elites what religious beliefs they should
have because they aren't "enlightened" enough!
Post by Boltbus Driver
You are outright dishonest if you think that missionaries, who
are no different from salesperson, will be 'nice' and 'tolerant'
towards other religions.
If they aren't, there are legal avenues to address that. Killing and
raping innocent people, burning their homes and destroying their
possessions are not civilized responses to verbal "intolerance", such as
there might be.

On the subject of being "nice" and "tolerant", do you think that when
ritual "cleansing" of a temple is done because a cabinet minister who
worshiped at the temple is "impure" because of his caste, it is being
"nice" and "tolerant"? Do you think that having a certain group of
people drink their tea(not being allowed to set foot in the tea shop)
from cups kept exclusively for them for fear that others might be
"polluted" by drinking from the same cup is an example of being "nice"
and "tolerant"? Yet when these very same people who are being grossly
violated look to change their religion in order to gain some sense of
dignity, all hell breaks loose, right? The hypocrisy simply astounds me!
Art Sowers
2010-11-26 23:42:20 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
tollerant. I don't know about Christian prosyletization in India, but all
I hear is a lot of violent conflict in India between religions (and shit
on lower castes by higher castes).
I can help you out here. Christian 'missionary' activity in India is very
much there. In a matter of decades the entire north east of India
has been converted to Christianity. With Sonia Gandhi (unofficially she
runs Congress, herself a devout Italian Catholic) at the helm, it has
only encouraged some unprofessional missionaries to convert by hook
or crook. E.g, in Karnataka few yrs back, they were caught selling
books Satya Darshini (Truth Display) wherein Hindu gods were abused
left-n-right. Result was some Hindus turned violent in their protest.
Same in Orissa.
Pls note that overwhelming majority of Indian Christians are nice,
peaceful people and they have contributed a lot towards India.
Yeah, I'm OK with anyone having whatever religion they want...just let
other people have what they want.
Post by Boltbus Driver
But some scums, actively encouraged by Sonia amma, have restored
to disgusting techniques, for which sometimes they are taught some
lesson.
We have scumbag Christian scams in US, too. One Bobby (?) Baker and wife
Tammy Baker, ran some "TV evangelical church" so you could "go to church"
by staying home on the couch in front of the TV. Then some legal shit
happened, in the end he got put in jail for some crap (I forgot the
details) but it later came out that for every US dollar that was donated
to Baker's "church" only 3 cents went to charitable ends, and the other 97
cents went to Baker's mansion and air-conditioned dog house for his dog.

We also have some various snob Christian churches meant for the wealthy
and super wealthy, and palatial churches hidden off the main roads and you
just can't walk in off the street, either. Maybe if you are a doctor or
lawyer or Ray Kroc, you can join (after paying big bucks).

One of my personal friends told me about his church (I'm not going to say
the faith) and the minister got paycheck adding up to $130,000 per year
and the way he told me this sounded like he was not making it up.

Most churches don't pay much to minister/priest/etc (maybe depending, can
be $200/month to $700/mo, with or without pension, so many have real full
time job. One guy I talked to was placing house foundations (concrete and
cinder blocks) and it came up that he was Sunday minister in some small
church.

That's why anti christian-ism in India is very very sporadic.
Post by Boltbus Driver
In fact dalits are treated much worse.
I'm sure you are right, and based on some stories that I've read in our
media. Years ago when the fight between Kamal Prasad (who hates USA and
after he had this visa problem he never fully explained) and myself, I
started doing google searches on various India issues, and learned Dalits
have their own "network" and websites, etc., after when I was a kid and
all they told you about "untouchables" is if higher caste gets caught in
shaddow of an untouchable, the higher caste has to go through elaborate
cleansing process and I asked myself "do they really do that?"

Then, I read about sometimes higher castes go out and just beat up Dalits.

Sounds like KKK in USA back decades, 50 years+, ago.

Ugly. Very ugly.
Post by Boltbus Driver
BTW do read about Christian missionaries in South Korea and their
methodology. The rapidly shrinking Buddhist are understandably pissed.
Any missionary can be anything from decent, civilized on down to mean,
tricky, sneaky, cheaty. I read some history on this, too. Yes, sex abuse
by Christian clergy. Also google says its in Hindu priests, too. Other
priests as well, even Muslims. Nobody walks on water or gets halos-wings.

Will Durant, famous in his time, wrote 11 volume history set which I read,
then read his autobiography with his wife, Ariel. He was originally socialist
and athiest, but wrote--I think--fair treatment of Islam, Judaism, and
Islam, as well as a lot about far east thinking (budhism, Hinduism (and
ancient epigraphs), and confucious, etc.). It was interesting that
thousands of years ago India also had some atheist guys and Durant also
said they were very smart guys, too. Someday I will go back and find those
paragraphs. They had some names, too.
Post by Boltbus Driver
ps: Pls ignore Rajah's reply to this. He is an Indian Christian :-)
Hah! He is welcome to be Indian Christian. I think I guessed this some
time ago.

Otherwise, thanks for your comments.
gandikotam
2010-11-27 05:34:39 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
Post by gandikotam
Post by Art Sowers
He (Jai Maharaj/Stevens) really has got a lot of problems. That's for
sure.
I, and others, have asked, openly, "who likes Maharaj" and get little or
no response, but if you look for how many dislike the guy, you'll get a
lot of serious negative sentiment.
Jai has lot of admirers lurking in the groups.
Why do they say nothing?
What Jai does is add spin on the headings. He also tries to bring to
attention to sites or people who otherwise will be ignored. For
instance, I much appreciate his posts with links to freerepublic
discussions. If you can ignore the headings and just focus on the
content he is posting, that would be much appreciated.
Old Pif
2010-11-25 17:23:29 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
Besides you can't make almost any movie without some people getting
pissed.
That is why the Founding Fathers in their infinite wisdom provided us
with the First Amendment and for the most extreme cases the Second
Amendment.
Art Sowers
2010-11-25 21:22:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Old Pif
Post by Art Sowers
Besides you can't make almost any movie without some people getting
pissed.
That is why the Founding Fathers in their infinite wisdom provided us
with the First Amendment and for the most extreme cases the Second
Amendment.
Hah! I even have a book on this. I have not read it yet. Unfortunately.
DMJoshi
2010-11-25 17:25:18 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Source -http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
Dhanyavaad Dr. Jai Maharaj !
Yes it is a Rediff page and there are Jai Maharaj and Hawai in it.
Oh, I was very curious to see this. So, I went to the website. Big fucking
deal, "speaking from Hawai" (means a telephone call). No pictures of Jai
Maharaj. So, he told them, too, he is "Dr. Jai" and they did not check(?).
Here is the whole article, with asterisks where he is mentioned.
Besides you can't make almost any movie without some people getting
pissed.
He makes a big deal out of letters not published. Big deal, most magazines
get too many to publish anyway.
Now, see if American Gita Society has a website.
================
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
-------------------------------------------
'Eyes Wide Shut': Plenty of Cyberspace Barks But Where Is the Bite?
Aseem Chhabra in New York
Almost ten years ago, while walking on Fifth Avenue in the heart of New
hundreds of South Asian Muslims marching with placards and screaming
slogans 'Kill Rushdie, Kill', 'Death to Rushdie'. There were men in
Western clothes and traditional salwars and kurtas, and women in burqas.
The most frightening thing was that they all looked like me.
The impact of the global force of Muslim anger against Salman Rushdie's
book Satanic Verses, is well known. There were bomb threats, book
burnings, banning of the book, killing of those associated with the book
and most important, ten years of a life in hiding for the Indian-born
writer.
In 1986, I saw a very different kind of protest. A peaceful group of nuns,
holding rosaries and placards outside an art movie house in Beverly Hills,
protesting against Jean-Luc Godard's attempt to humanize the Virgin
Mary in Je Vous Salue, Marie (or Hail Mary). The film and the
controversy attracted some attention, but it died a natural death, befitting
a small French film that hardly any American saw.
It is now the summer of 1999, and number of fundamentalist (and plain,
religious) Hindus in the United States seem to be angered by the use of a
shloka from the Gita during the now infamous orgy scene in Stanley
Kubrick's swan song Eyes Wide Shut. Countless hours, time and energy
have been spent on various websites and discussion lists debating and
discussing the issue.
Some say the film is an insult to Hindu religion, cultural and religious
heritage, while the liberals state that calling for the removal of the shloka
from the film's amounts to resorting to cultural fascism.
My favorite was a debate on the South Asian Journalists Association's
'There is no philosophical difference between a Mahmud Ghazanavi
demolishing Somnath (umpteen times) and a Kubrick defiling Gita
shlokas in his third-rate movie. Yesterday's Ghaznavi lives in today's
Kubrick (or whatever the hell this man's name is).'
On the other side of the fence, Veena Oldenburg, a New York City-based
academic said: 'This form of Hinduism is a nineteenth century creation,
and to rush to its defense, if Kubrick or anyone else grabs a tiny fragment
of it and uses it out of context, is futile and in spirit un-Hindu.'
In the another posting, Shezian said: 'Unless the Hindus retaliate in full
force such type of behavior will not change. Being nice does not pay.'
So I ask Shezian and his co-believers, what made them not go beyond the
cyberspace and conduct organized protest against the film's producers,
Warner Bros? Two years ago, an organized effort by the American Hindu
Anti-Defamation Coalition (a Vishwa Hindu Parishad supported outfit)
resulted in Sony Music changing the cover of an Aerosmith album.
Similar protests by the Arab-American community resulted in Disney
changing the lyrics to a song in the 1992 hit animation film, Aladdin.
But where are our desi-Hindu brothers now?
**************************
***************************
Dr Jai Maharaj, secretary of the American Gita Society, has been
following this controversy since the release of Kubrick's film last month.
Speaking from Hawaii he said there were letters written to Time magazine
(both the magazine and Warner Bros are owned by media conglomerate
Time-Warner) by leaders of Hindu groups in the US. However, it appears
the magazine chose not to publish the letters.
Maharaj also read a letter written by a Hindu student in the US to the film
studio. The writer of the 'Dear Warner Bros' letter threatened to boycott
all future Warner films if the studio did not remove the recitation of the
Gita shloka from the film. One can only imagine how far that 'Dear
Warner Bros' letter would reach within the vast bureaucratic structure of
the Burbank, CA-based studio.
Maharaj added that while surfing the Net he had seen pictures of a group
protesting outside a movie theater in Los Angeles where Eyes Wide Shut
was showing. The protestors reportedly belonged to a rival group to the
International Society of Krishna Consciousness (better known as the Hare
Krishna people), he said.
*******************************
*******************************
However, Nancy Kirkpatrick, senior vice-president of theatrical publicity
at Warner Bros, said she was not aware of any complaints against the
film. "All this is news to me," she said, adding it was a part of her
responsibility to track all organized letters, demonstrations and campaigns
against any Warner theatrical film.
Skeptics might argue that it would be futile to ask Warner Bros to make a
change to Eyes Wide Shut, given the contractual conditions that Kubrick
had set on the studio, including that no portion of the film could be altered
after his final edit. However, it is a well known fact that in order to avoid
the deathly NC-17 rating, the studio used 65 seconds of computerized
images to partially cover up the nudity in the orgy scene (the same scene
where the Gita shlokas are recited) in the film.
The studio proved that even a Stanley Kubrick work is not altogether
sacrosanct and it could make a change in the director's final vision if the
film's commercial viability was at stake. Perhaps then, it is safe to assume
that the fundamentalist Hindu lobby (which so successfully affected the
might of Sony Music in 1997) is still not strong enough to be a financial
threat to Warner Bros. A few letters to Time magazine and Hare Krishna
type protests do not shake the empire that Jack Warner built.
Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16 to mostly positive reviews. It was
the number one movie at the box office in the opening weekend, having
grossed an impressive $ 25 million. Since then, in the next two weeks, the
film's box office has plummeted by 55 per cent. Maybe Mahadevan
Shezian can take comfort in the fact that Hinduism will outlive its last
great threat at the end of 20th century.
Previous story: Shyamalan's 'Sixth Sense' Set To Spook Competition
Next story: Meat And Potato City
Offers Spicy Delicacies From
Ethiopia, Thailand And the
Subcontinent
===============
Post by DMJoshi
Now to find out if he is a white wannabe Hindu.
Get your money into airplane tickets and fly to Hawaii and go find him. It
should not be hard. Private investigators guarantee to find anyone.
Post by DMJoshi
He is Christian because of his excessive McCarthy-ism.
How do you get this when all he posts is anti-Christian?
The McCarthy-ism.
It is to protect Christian God.
It has become sin qua non for claiming "In God we trust" patriotism.
Only Christians are entitled to it.
Indians trying to find their feet in USA would throw word "commie" at
any one they could.
I see that you too are a part of that sickness.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
There is also his birth certificate posted by P.Rajah.
Where is this? I'd like to see that, too.
Post by DMJoshi
Check the thread
Who could have converted Jay Stevens to Hinduism?
OK, you write a book on him.
That is P.Rajah's intellectual property.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
In face of his praise for USA fighting Islamic-Terrorism any Indian
worth his salt will recognise him as anti-Indian
Where do you get this?
Because it was US tax payer's trillions of dollars that has nurtured
Pakistan into the Mecca of Islamic Terrorism and obviously India has
been the first target. USA became target after CIA invited jihadis
from Arab countries to settle score with Soviet Union, very likely
promising them that the next territory to conquer for Islam is USA.
Post by Art Sowers
  which most white
Post by DMJoshi
Christians and USA and UK have been 99% of the time.
What do you think about black Christians? YOu know they exist too.
There are brown and yellow Christians too. For blacks it was to please
the white master who other wise will sell him to a worse slave driver.
Post by Art Sowers
USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Anything USA did was for itself.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
To that extent I pity this Ramachandra Abhyankar having to thank Jay
Stevens at least once a day, almost as a ritual.
So, call up rediff and ask them what phone number was on their caller ID
and call Mahraj yourself, and tell us if he is "real Indian/Hindu" or
white trash.
Rediff will have no record. It will be the author of the piece who
would have beans on him to the extent he got them spilled. Get P.
Rajah to find him then an email from Dr Arthur Sowers will get you
"rained" on by the fellow.
Art Sowers
2010-11-25 17:46:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Source -http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
Dhanyavaad Dr. Jai Maharaj !
Yes it is a Rediff page and there are Jai Maharaj and Hawai in it.
Oh, I was very curious to see this. So, I went to the website. Big fucking
deal, "speaking from Hawai" (means a telephone call). No pictures of Jai
Maharaj. So, he told them, too, he is "Dr. Jai" and they did not check(?).
Here is the whole article, with asterisks where he is mentioned.
Besides you can't make almost any movie without some people getting
pissed.
He makes a big deal out of letters not published. Big deal, most magazines
get too many to publish anyway.
Now, see if American Gita Society has a website.
================
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
-------------------------------------------
'Eyes Wide Shut': Plenty of Cyberspace Barks But Where Is the Bite?
Aseem Chhabra in New York
Almost ten years ago, while walking on Fifth Avenue in the heart of New
hundreds of South Asian Muslims marching with placards and screaming
slogans 'Kill Rushdie, Kill', 'Death to Rushdie'. There were men in
Western clothes and traditional salwars and kurtas, and women in burqas.
The most frightening thing was that they all looked like me.
The impact of the global force of Muslim anger against Salman Rushdie's
book Satanic Verses, is well known. There were bomb threats, book
burnings, banning of the book, killing of those associated with the book
and most important, ten years of a life in hiding for the Indian-born
writer.
In 1986, I saw a very different kind of protest. A peaceful group of nuns,
holding rosaries and placards outside an art movie house in Beverly Hills,
protesting against Jean-Luc Godard's attempt to humanize the Virgin
Mary in Je Vous Salue, Marie (or Hail Mary). The film and the
controversy attracted some attention, but it died a natural death, befitting
a small French film that hardly any American saw.
It is now the summer of 1999, and number of fundamentalist (and plain,
religious) Hindus in the United States seem to be angered by the use of a
shloka from the Gita during the now infamous orgy scene in Stanley
Kubrick's swan song Eyes Wide Shut. Countless hours, time and energy
have been spent on various websites and discussion lists debating and
discussing the issue.
Some say the film is an insult to Hindu religion, cultural and religious
heritage, while the liberals state that calling for the removal of the shloka
from the film's amounts to resorting to cultural fascism.
My favorite was a debate on the South Asian Journalists Association's
'There is no philosophical difference between a Mahmud Ghazanavi
demolishing Somnath (umpteen times) and a Kubrick defiling Gita
shlokas in his third-rate movie. Yesterday's Ghaznavi lives in today's
Kubrick (or whatever the hell this man's name is).'
On the other side of the fence, Veena Oldenburg, a New York City-based
academic said: 'This form of Hinduism is a nineteenth century creation,
and to rush to its defense, if Kubrick or anyone else grabs a tiny fragment
of it and uses it out of context, is futile and in spirit un-Hindu.'
In the another posting, Shezian said: 'Unless the Hindus retaliate in full
force such type of behavior will not change. Being nice does not pay.'
So I ask Shezian and his co-believers, what made them not go beyond the
cyberspace and conduct organized protest against the film's producers,
Warner Bros? Two years ago, an organized effort by the American Hindu
Anti-Defamation Coalition (a Vishwa Hindu Parishad supported outfit)
resulted in Sony Music changing the cover of an Aerosmith album.
Similar protests by the Arab-American community resulted in Disney
changing the lyrics to a song in the 1992 hit animation film, Aladdin.
But where are our desi-Hindu brothers now?
**************************
***************************
Dr Jai Maharaj, secretary of the American Gita Society, has been
following this controversy since the release of Kubrick's film last month.
Speaking from Hawaii he said there were letters written to Time magazine
(both the magazine and Warner Bros are owned by media conglomerate
Time-Warner) by leaders of Hindu groups in the US. However, it appears
the magazine chose not to publish the letters.
Maharaj also read a letter written by a Hindu student in the US to the film
studio. The writer of the 'Dear Warner Bros' letter threatened to boycott
all future Warner films if the studio did not remove the recitation of the
Gita shloka from the film. One can only imagine how far that 'Dear
Warner Bros' letter would reach within the vast bureaucratic structure of
the Burbank, CA-based studio.
Maharaj added that while surfing the Net he had seen pictures of a group
protesting outside a movie theater in Los Angeles where Eyes Wide Shut
was showing. The protestors reportedly belonged to a rival group to the
International Society of Krishna Consciousness (better known as the Hare
Krishna people), he said.
*******************************
*******************************
However, Nancy Kirkpatrick, senior vice-president of theatrical publicity
at Warner Bros, said she was not aware of any complaints against the
film. "All this is news to me," she said, adding it was a part of her
responsibility to track all organized letters, demonstrations and campaigns
against any Warner theatrical film.
Skeptics might argue that it would be futile to ask Warner Bros to make a
change to Eyes Wide Shut, given the contractual conditions that Kubrick
had set on the studio, including that no portion of the film could be altered
after his final edit. However, it is a well known fact that in order to avoid
the deathly NC-17 rating, the studio used 65 seconds of computerized
images to partially cover up the nudity in the orgy scene (the same scene
where the Gita shlokas are recited) in the film.
The studio proved that even a Stanley Kubrick work is not altogether
sacrosanct and it could make a change in the director's final vision if the
film's commercial viability was at stake. Perhaps then, it is safe to assume
that the fundamentalist Hindu lobby (which so successfully affected the
might of Sony Music in 1997) is still not strong enough to be a financial
threat to Warner Bros. A few letters to Time magazine and Hare Krishna
type protests do not shake the empire that Jack Warner built.
Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16 to mostly positive reviews. It was
the number one movie at the box office in the opening weekend, having
grossed an impressive $ 25 million. Since then, in the next two weeks, the
film's box office has plummeted by 55 per cent. Maybe Mahadevan
Shezian can take comfort in the fact that Hinduism will outlive its last
great threat at the end of 20th century.
Previous story: Shyamalan's 'Sixth Sense' Set To Spook Competition
Next story: Meat And Potato City
Offers Spicy Delicacies From
Ethiopia, Thailand And the
Subcontinent
===============
Post by DMJoshi
Now to find out if he is a white wannabe Hindu.
Get your money into airplane tickets and fly to Hawaii and go find him. It
should not be hard. Private investigators guarantee to find anyone.
Post by DMJoshi
He is Christian because of his excessive McCarthy-ism.
How do you get this when all he posts is anti-Christian?
The McCarthy-ism.
It is to protect Christian God.
It has become sin qua non for claiming "In God we trust" patriotism.
Only Christians are entitled to it.
He is really anti-Christian, pro-Hindu. see below just one example.

|||||||||||||||||||||||
Post by DMJoshi
------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/be3feb6aae0fb35c?hl=en
Visit
http://www.christianaggression.com
to learn more about Christians and Christianity. Perhaps
you'll find a lot of "hard to believe" stuff there. Is
Christianity much different from Islam when it comes
to perpetrating terrorism around the world?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
------------
Yes or no?
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Post by DMJoshi
Indians trying to find their feet in USA would throw word "commie" at
any one they could.
I see that you too are a part of that sickness.
You are out of your mind.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
There is also his birth certificate posted by P.Rajah.
Where is this? I'd like to see that, too.
Post by DMJoshi
Check the thread
Who could have converted Jay Stevens to Hinduism?
OK, you write a book on him.
That is P.Rajah's intellectual property.
Fine, I'll give him a big cut on royalties.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
In face of his praise for USA fighting Islamic-Terrorism any Indian
worth his salt will recognise him as anti-Indian
Where do you get this?
Because it was US tax payer's trillions of dollars that has nurtured
Pakistan into the Mecca of Islamic Terrorism and obviously India has
been the first target.
What about millions of US jobs and billions USD raining on India?

USA became target after CIA invited jihadis
Post by DMJoshi
from Arab countries to settle score with Soviet Union, very likely
promising them that the next territory to conquer for Islam is USA.
In your imagination.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  which most white
Post by DMJoshi
Christians and USA and UK have been 99% of the time.
What do you think about black Christians? YOu know they exist too.
There are brown and yellow Christians too. For blacks it was to please
the white master who other wise will sell him to a worse slave driver.
What about Hindus? Mahraj puts on pedestal.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Anything USA did was for itself.
USA economy supports 100 mil jobs or more all over the world outside USA.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
To that extent I pity this Ramachandra Abhyankar having to thank Jay
Stevens at least once a day, almost as a ritual.
So, call up rediff and ask them what phone number was on their caller ID
and call Mahraj yourself, and tell us if he is "real Indian/Hindu" or
white trash.
Rediff will have no record. It will be the author of the piece who
would have beans on him to the extent he got them spilled. Get P.
Rajah to find him then an email from Dr Arthur Sowers will get you
"rained" on by the fellow.
You were the one asking the question.
DMJoshi
2010-11-25 20:03:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Source -http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
Dhanyavaad Dr. Jai Maharaj !
Yes it is a Rediff page and there are Jai Maharaj and Hawai in it.
Oh, I was very curious to see this. So, I went to the website. Big fucking
deal, "speaking from Hawai" (means a telephone call). No pictures of Jai
Maharaj. So, he told them, too, he is "Dr. Jai" and they did not check(?).
Here is the whole article, with asterisks where he is mentioned.
Besides you can't make almost any movie without some people getting
pissed.
He makes a big deal out of letters not published. Big deal, most magazines
get too many to publish anyway.
Now, see if American Gita Society has a website.
================
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
-------------------------------------------
'Eyes Wide Shut': Plenty of Cyberspace Barks But Where Is the Bite?
Aseem Chhabra in New York
Almost ten years ago, while walking on Fifth Avenue in the heart of New
hundreds of South Asian Muslims marching with placards and screaming
slogans 'Kill Rushdie, Kill', 'Death to Rushdie'. There were men in
Western clothes and traditional salwars and kurtas, and women in burqas.
The most frightening thing was that they all looked like me.
The impact of the global force of Muslim anger against Salman Rushdie's
book Satanic Verses, is well known. There were bomb threats, book
burnings, banning of the book, killing of those associated with the book
and most important, ten years of a life in hiding for the Indian-born
writer.
In 1986, I saw a very different kind of protest. A peaceful group of nuns,
holding rosaries and placards outside an art movie house in Beverly Hills,
protesting against Jean-Luc Godard's attempt to humanize the Virgin
Mary in Je Vous Salue, Marie (or Hail Mary). The film and the
controversy attracted some attention, but it died a natural death, befitting
a small French film that hardly any American saw.
It is now the summer of 1999, and number of fundamentalist (and plain,
religious) Hindus in the United States seem to be angered by the use of a
shloka from the Gita during the now infamous orgy scene in Stanley
Kubrick's swan song Eyes Wide Shut. Countless hours, time and energy
have been spent on various websites and discussion lists debating and
discussing the issue.
Some say the film is an insult to Hindu religion, cultural and religious
heritage, while the liberals state that calling for the removal of the shloka
from the film's amounts to resorting to cultural fascism.
My favorite was a debate on the South Asian Journalists Association's
'There is no philosophical difference between a Mahmud Ghazanavi
demolishing Somnath (umpteen times) and a Kubrick defiling Gita
shlokas in his third-rate movie. Yesterday's Ghaznavi lives in today's
Kubrick (or whatever the hell this man's name is).'
On the other side of the fence, Veena Oldenburg, a New York City-based
academic said: 'This form of Hinduism is a nineteenth century creation,
and to rush to its defense, if Kubrick or anyone else grabs a tiny fragment
of it and uses it out of context, is futile and in spirit un-Hindu.'
In the another posting, Shezian said: 'Unless the Hindus retaliate in full
force such type of behavior will not change. Being nice does not pay.'
So I ask Shezian and his co-believers, what made them not go beyond the
cyberspace and conduct organized protest against the film's producers,
Warner Bros? Two years ago, an organized effort by the American Hindu
Anti-Defamation Coalition (a Vishwa Hindu Parishad supported outfit)
resulted in Sony Music changing the cover of an Aerosmith album.
Similar protests by the Arab-American community resulted in Disney
changing the lyrics to a song in the 1992 hit animation film, Aladdin.
But where are our desi-Hindu brothers now?
**************************
***************************
Dr Jai Maharaj, secretary of the American Gita Society, has been
following this controversy since the release of Kubrick's film last month.
Speaking from Hawaii he said there were letters written to Time magazine
(both the magazine and Warner Bros are owned by media conglomerate
Time-Warner) by leaders of Hindu groups in the US. However, it appears
the magazine chose not to publish the letters.
Maharaj also read a letter written by a Hindu student in the US to the film
studio. The writer of the 'Dear Warner Bros' letter threatened to boycott
all future Warner films if the studio did not remove the recitation of the
Gita shloka from the film. One can only imagine how far that 'Dear
Warner Bros' letter would reach within the vast bureaucratic structure of
the Burbank, CA-based studio.
Maharaj added that while surfing the Net he had seen pictures of a group
protesting outside a movie theater in Los Angeles where Eyes Wide Shut
was showing. The protestors reportedly belonged to a rival group to the
International Society of Krishna Consciousness (better known as the Hare
Krishna people), he said.
*******************************
*******************************
However, Nancy Kirkpatrick, senior vice-president of theatrical publicity
at Warner Bros, said she was not aware of any complaints against the
film. "All this is news to me," she said, adding it was a part of her
responsibility to track all organized letters, demonstrations and campaigns
against any Warner theatrical film.
Skeptics might argue that it would be futile to ask Warner Bros to make a
change to Eyes Wide Shut, given the contractual conditions that Kubrick
had set on the studio, including that no portion of the film could be altered
after his final edit. However, it is a well known fact that in order to avoid
the deathly NC-17 rating, the studio used 65 seconds of computerized
images to partially cover up the nudity in the orgy scene (the same scene
where the Gita shlokas are recited) in the film.
The studio proved that even a Stanley Kubrick work is not altogether
sacrosanct and it could make a change in the director's final vision if the
film's commercial viability was at stake. Perhaps then, it is safe to assume
that the fundamentalist Hindu lobby (which so successfully affected the
might of Sony Music in 1997) is still not strong enough to be a financial
threat to Warner Bros. A few letters to Time magazine and Hare Krishna
type protests do not shake the empire that Jack Warner built.
Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16 to mostly positive reviews. It was
the number one movie at the box office in the opening weekend, having
grossed an impressive $ 25 million. Since then, in the next two weeks, the
film's box office has plummeted by 55 per cent. Maybe Mahadevan
Shezian can take comfort in the fact that Hinduism will outlive its last
great threat at the end of 20th century.
Previous story: Shyamalan's 'Sixth Sense' Set To Spook Competition
Next story: Meat And Potato City
Offers Spicy Delicacies From
Ethiopia, Thailand And the
Subcontinent
===============
Post by DMJoshi
Now to find out if he is a white wannabe Hindu.
Get your money into airplane tickets and fly to Hawaii and go find him. It
should not be hard. Private investigators guarantee to find anyone.
Post by DMJoshi
He is Christian because of his excessive McCarthy-ism.
How do you get this when all he posts is anti-Christian?
The McCarthy-ism.
It is to protect Christian God.
It has become sin qua non for claiming "In God we trust" patriotism.
Only Christians are entitled to it.
He is really anti-Christian, pro-Hindu. see below just one example.
If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
Post by Art Sowers
|||||||||||||||||||||||> ------------
Post by DMJoshi
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/be3feb6aae0fb35c?hl=en
Visit
http://www.christianaggression.com
to learn more about Christians and Christianity. Perhaps
you'll find a lot of "hard to believe" stuff there.  Is
Christianity much different from Islam when it comes
to perpetrating terrorism around the world?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
------------
Yes or no?
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Post by DMJoshi
Indians trying to find their feet in USA would throw word "commie" at
any one they could.
I see that you too are a part of that sickness.
You are out of your mind.
"Is Joshi a closet communist? " can only come from a soldier of
McCarthy-ism.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
There is also his birth certificate posted by P.Rajah.
Where is this? I'd like to see that, too.
Post by DMJoshi
Check the thread
Who could have converted Jay Stevens to Hinduism?
OK, you write a book on him.
That is P.Rajah's intellectual property.
Fine, I'll give him a big cut on royalties.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
In face of his praise for USA fighting Islamic-Terrorism any Indian
worth his salt will recognise him as anti-Indian
Where do you get this?
Because it was US tax payer's trillions of dollars that has nurtured
Pakistan into the Mecca of Islamic Terrorism and obviously India has
been the first target.
What about millions of US jobs and billions USD raining on India?
Only to increase profits of the American rich, no Charity to India.
Post by Art Sowers
  USA became target after CIA invited jihadis
Post by DMJoshi
from Arab countries to settle score with Soviet Union, very likely
promising them that the next territory to conquer for Islam is USA.
In your imagination.
Tell me how Al Qaeda was born and why they started to attack USA
everywhere? Russia or Cuba did not put them to it.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  which most white
Post by DMJoshi
Christians and USA and UK have been 99% of the time.
What do you think about black Christians? YOu know they exist too.
There are brown and yellow Christians too. For blacks it was to please
the white master who other wise will sell him to a worse slave driver.
What about Hindus? Mahraj puts on pedestal.
What about Hindus?
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Anything USA did was for itself.
USA economy supports 100 mil jobs or more all over the world outside USA.
Get it stopped if you believe that solves your problem. Making a
bonfire of yourself in Time Square may turn the tide.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
To that extent I pity this Ramachandra Abhyankar having to thank Jay
Stevens at least once a day, almost as a ritual.
So, call up rediff and ask them what phone number was on their caller ID
and call Mahraj yourself, and tell us if he is "real Indian/Hindu" or
white trash.
Rediff will have no record. It will be the author of the piece who
would have beans on him to the extent he got them spilled. Get P.
Rajah to find him then an email from Dr Arthur Sowers will get you
"rained" on by the fellow.
You were the one asking the question.
What question?
Art Sowers
2010-11-25 21:05:56 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Source -http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
Dhanyavaad Dr. Jai Maharaj !
Yes it is a Rediff page and there are Jai Maharaj and Hawai in it.
Oh, I was very curious to see this. So, I went to the website. Big fucking
deal, "speaking from Hawai" (means a telephone call). No pictures of Jai
Maharaj. So, he told them, too, he is "Dr. Jai" and they did not check(?).
Here is the whole article, with asterisks where he is mentioned.
Besides you can't make almost any movie without some people getting
pissed.
He makes a big deal out of letters not published. Big deal, most magazines
get too many to publish anyway.
Now, see if American Gita Society has a website.
================
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
-------------------------------------------
'Eyes Wide Shut': Plenty of Cyberspace Barks But Where Is the Bite?
Aseem Chhabra in New York
Almost ten years ago, while walking on Fifth Avenue in the heart of New
hundreds of South Asian Muslims marching with placards and screaming
slogans 'Kill Rushdie, Kill', 'Death to Rushdie'. There were men in
Western clothes and traditional salwars and kurtas, and women in burqas.
The most frightening thing was that they all looked like me.
The impact of the global force of Muslim anger against Salman Rushdie's
book Satanic Verses, is well known. There were bomb threats, book
burnings, banning of the book, killing of those associated with the book
and most important, ten years of a life in hiding for the Indian-born
writer.
In 1986, I saw a very different kind of protest. A peaceful group of nuns,
holding rosaries and placards outside an art movie house in Beverly Hills,
protesting against Jean-Luc Godard's attempt to humanize the Virgin
Mary in Je Vous Salue, Marie (or Hail Mary). The film and the
controversy attracted some attention, but it died a natural death, befitting
a small French film that hardly any American saw.
It is now the summer of 1999, and number of fundamentalist (and plain,
religious) Hindus in the United States seem to be angered by the use of a
shloka from the Gita during the now infamous orgy scene in Stanley
Kubrick's swan song Eyes Wide Shut. Countless hours, time and energy
have been spent on various websites and discussion lists debating and
discussing the issue.
Some say the film is an insult to Hindu religion, cultural and religious
heritage, while the liberals state that calling for the removal of the shloka
from the film's amounts to resorting to cultural fascism.
My favorite was a debate on the South Asian Journalists Association's
'There is no philosophical difference between a Mahmud Ghazanavi
demolishing Somnath (umpteen times) and a Kubrick defiling Gita
shlokas in his third-rate movie. Yesterday's Ghaznavi lives in today's
Kubrick (or whatever the hell this man's name is).'
On the other side of the fence, Veena Oldenburg, a New York City-based
academic said: 'This form of Hinduism is a nineteenth century creation,
and to rush to its defense, if Kubrick or anyone else grabs a tiny fragment
of it and uses it out of context, is futile and in spirit un-Hindu.'
In the another posting, Shezian said: 'Unless the Hindus retaliate in full
force such type of behavior will not change. Being nice does not pay.'
So I ask Shezian and his co-believers, what made them not go beyond the
cyberspace and conduct organized protest against the film's producers,
Warner Bros? Two years ago, an organized effort by the American Hindu
Anti-Defamation Coalition (a Vishwa Hindu Parishad supported outfit)
resulted in Sony Music changing the cover of an Aerosmith album.
Similar protests by the Arab-American community resulted in Disney
changing the lyrics to a song in the 1992 hit animation film, Aladdin.
But where are our desi-Hindu brothers now?
**************************
***************************
Dr Jai Maharaj, secretary of the American Gita Society, has been
following this controversy since the release of Kubrick's film last month.
Speaking from Hawaii he said there were letters written to Time magazine
(both the magazine and Warner Bros are owned by media conglomerate
Time-Warner) by leaders of Hindu groups in the US. However, it appears
the magazine chose not to publish the letters.
Maharaj also read a letter written by a Hindu student in the US to the film
studio. The writer of the 'Dear Warner Bros' letter threatened to boycott
all future Warner films if the studio did not remove the recitation of the
Gita shloka from the film. One can only imagine how far that 'Dear
Warner Bros' letter would reach within the vast bureaucratic structure of
the Burbank, CA-based studio.
Maharaj added that while surfing the Net he had seen pictures of a group
protesting outside a movie theater in Los Angeles where Eyes Wide Shut
was showing. The protestors reportedly belonged to a rival group to the
International Society of Krishna Consciousness (better known as the Hare
Krishna people), he said.
*******************************
*******************************
However, Nancy Kirkpatrick, senior vice-president of theatrical publicity
at Warner Bros, said she was not aware of any complaints against the
film. "All this is news to me," she said, adding it was a part of her
responsibility to track all organized letters, demonstrations and campaigns
against any Warner theatrical film.
Skeptics might argue that it would be futile to ask Warner Bros to make a
change to Eyes Wide Shut, given the contractual conditions that Kubrick
had set on the studio, including that no portion of the film could be altered
after his final edit. However, it is a well known fact that in order to avoid
the deathly NC-17 rating, the studio used 65 seconds of computerized
images to partially cover up the nudity in the orgy scene (the same scene
where the Gita shlokas are recited) in the film.
The studio proved that even a Stanley Kubrick work is not altogether
sacrosanct and it could make a change in the director's final vision if the
film's commercial viability was at stake. Perhaps then, it is safe to assume
that the fundamentalist Hindu lobby (which so successfully affected the
might of Sony Music in 1997) is still not strong enough to be a financial
threat to Warner Bros. A few letters to Time magazine and Hare Krishna
type protests do not shake the empire that Jack Warner built.
Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16 to mostly positive reviews. It was
the number one movie at the box office in the opening weekend, having
grossed an impressive $ 25 million. Since then, in the next two weeks, the
film's box office has plummeted by 55 per cent. Maybe Mahadevan
Shezian can take comfort in the fact that Hinduism will outlive its last
great threat at the end of 20th century.
Previous story: Shyamalan's 'Sixth Sense' Set To Spook Competition
Next story: Meat And Potato City
Offers Spicy Delicacies From
Ethiopia, Thailand And the
Subcontinent
===============
Post by DMJoshi
Now to find out if he is a white wannabe Hindu.
Get your money into airplane tickets and fly to Hawaii and go find him. It
should not be hard. Private investigators guarantee to find anyone.
Post by DMJoshi
He is Christian because of his excessive McCarthy-ism.
How do you get this when all he posts is anti-Christian?
The McCarthy-ism.
It is to protect Christian God.
It has become sin qua non for claiming "In God we trust" patriotism.
Only Christians are entitled to it.
He is really anti-Christian, pro-Hindu. see below just one example.
If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.

You can take me out of the "We" in the four words you wrote.

More below...
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
|||||||||||||||||||||||> ------------
Post by DMJoshi
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/be3feb6aae0fb35c?hl=en
Visit
http://www.christianaggression.com
to learn more about Christians and Christianity. Perhaps
you'll find a lot of "hard to believe" stuff there.  Is
Christianity much different from Islam when it comes
to perpetrating terrorism around the world?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
------------
Yes or no?
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Post by DMJoshi
Indians trying to find their feet in USA would throw word "commie" at
any one they could.
I see that you too are a part of that sickness.
You are out of your mind.
"Is Joshi a closet communist? " can only come from a soldier of
McCarthy-ism.
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc), going back a few decades was mostly really
communist.

More below...
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
There is also his birth certificate posted by P.Rajah.
Where is this? I'd like to see that, too.
Post by DMJoshi
Check the thread
Who could have converted Jay Stevens to Hinduism?
OK, you write a book on him.
That is P.Rajah's intellectual property.
Fine, I'll give him a big cut on royalties.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
In face of his praise for USA fighting Islamic-Terrorism any Indian
worth his salt will recognise him as anti-Indian
Where do you get this?
Because it was US tax payer's trillions of dollars that has nurtured
Pakistan into the Mecca of Islamic Terrorism and obviously India has
been the first target.
What about millions of US jobs and billions USD raining on India?
Only to increase profits of the American rich, no Charity to India.
India got plenty of charity from USA. Millions of jobs, a future for
India. Impossible without US market. Same for China's start.

Plus, both cheated with cheap currency.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  USA became target after CIA invited jihadis
Post by DMJoshi
from Arab countries to settle score with Soviet Union, very likely
promising them that the next territory to conquer for Islam is USA.
In your imagination.
Tell me how Al Qaeda was born and why they started to attack USA
everywhere? Russia or Cuba did not put them to it.
It started with communism, not USA.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  which most white
Post by DMJoshi
Christians and USA and UK have been 99% of the time.
What do you think about black Christians? YOu know they exist too.
There are brown and yellow Christians too. For blacks it was to please
the white master who other wise will sell him to a worse slave driver.
What about Hindus? Mahraj puts on pedestal.
What about Hindus?
Put themselves on pedestal.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Anything USA did was for itself.
USA economy supports 100 mil jobs or more all over the world outside USA.
Get it stopped if you believe that solves your problem. Making a
bonfire of yourself in Time Square may turn the tide.
Nah, not worth my time.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
To that extent I pity this Ramachandra Abhyankar having to thank Jay
Stevens at least once a day, almost as a ritual.
So, call up rediff and ask them what phone number was on their caller ID
and call Mahraj yourself, and tell us if he is "real Indian/Hindu" or
white trash.
Rediff will have no record. It will be the author of the piece who
would have beans on him to the extent he got them spilled. Get P.
Rajah to find him then an email from Dr Arthur Sowers will get you
"rained" on by the fellow.
You were the one asking the question.
What question?
You were pitying Abhyankar. Implies Abhyankar is sucker.
DMJoshi
2010-11-26 07:25:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Source -http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
Dhanyavaad Dr. Jai Maharaj !
Yes it is a Rediff page and there are Jai Maharaj and Hawai in it.
Oh, I was very curious to see this. So, I went to the website. Big fucking
deal, "speaking from Hawai" (means a telephone call). No pictures of Jai
Maharaj. So, he told them, too, he is "Dr. Jai" and they did not check(?).
Here is the whole article, with asterisks where he is mentioned.
Besides you can't make almost any movie without some people getting
pissed.
He makes a big deal out of letters not published. Big deal, most magazines
get too many to publish anyway.
Now, see if American Gita Society has a website.
================
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/aug/04us3.htm
-------------------------------------------
'Eyes Wide Shut': Plenty of Cyberspace Barks But Where Is the Bite?
Aseem Chhabra in New York
Almost ten years ago, while walking on Fifth Avenue in the heart of New
hundreds of South Asian Muslims marching with placards and screaming
slogans 'Kill Rushdie, Kill', 'Death to Rushdie'. There were men in
Western clothes and traditional salwars and kurtas, and women in burqas.
The most frightening thing was that they all looked like me.
The impact of the global force of Muslim anger against Salman Rushdie's
book Satanic Verses, is well known. There were bomb threats, book
burnings, banning of the book, killing of those associated with the book
and most important, ten years of a life in hiding for the Indian-born
writer.
In 1986, I saw a very different kind of protest. A peaceful group of nuns,
holding rosaries and placards outside an art movie house in Beverly Hills,
protesting against Jean-Luc Godard's attempt to humanize the Virgin
Mary in Je Vous Salue, Marie (or Hail Mary). The film and the
controversy attracted some attention, but it died a natural death, befitting
a small French film that hardly any American saw.
It is now the summer of 1999, and number of fundamentalist (and plain,
religious) Hindus in the United States seem to be angered by the use of a
shloka from the Gita during the now infamous orgy scene in Stanley
Kubrick's swan song Eyes Wide Shut. Countless hours, time and energy
have been spent on various websites and discussion lists debating and
discussing the issue.
Some say the film is an insult to Hindu religion, cultural and religious
heritage, while the liberals state that calling for the removal of the shloka
from the film's amounts to resorting to cultural fascism.
My favorite was a debate on the South Asian Journalists Association's
'There is no philosophical difference between a Mahmud Ghazanavi
demolishing Somnath (umpteen times) and a Kubrick defiling Gita
shlokas in his third-rate movie. Yesterday's Ghaznavi lives in today's
Kubrick (or whatever the hell this man's name is).'
On the other side of the fence, Veena Oldenburg, a New York City-based
academic said: 'This form of Hinduism is a nineteenth century creation,
and to rush to its defense, if Kubrick or anyone else grabs a tiny fragment
of it and uses it out of context, is futile and in spirit un-Hindu.'
In the another posting, Shezian said: 'Unless the Hindus retaliate in full
force such type of behavior will not change. Being nice does not pay.'
So I ask Shezian and his co-believers, what made them not go beyond the
cyberspace and conduct organized protest against the film's producers,
Warner Bros? Two years ago, an organized effort by the American Hindu
Anti-Defamation Coalition (a Vishwa Hindu Parishad supported outfit)
resulted in Sony Music changing the cover of an Aerosmith album.
Similar protests by the Arab-American community resulted in Disney
changing the lyrics to a song in the 1992 hit animation film, Aladdin.
But where are our desi-Hindu brothers now?
**************************
***************************
Dr Jai Maharaj, secretary of the American Gita Society, has been
following this controversy since the release of Kubrick's film last month.
Speaking from Hawaii he said there were letters written to Time magazine
(both the magazine and Warner Bros are owned by media conglomerate
Time-Warner) by leaders of Hindu groups in the US. However, it appears
the magazine chose not to publish the letters.
Maharaj also read a letter written by a Hindu student in the US to the film
studio. The writer of the 'Dear Warner Bros' letter threatened to boycott
all future Warner films if the studio did not remove the recitation of the
Gita shloka from the film. One can only imagine how far that 'Dear
Warner Bros' letter would reach within the vast bureaucratic structure of
the Burbank, CA-based studio.
Maharaj added that while surfing the Net he had seen pictures of a group
protesting outside a movie theater in Los Angeles where Eyes Wide Shut
was showing. The protestors reportedly belonged to a rival group to the
International Society of Krishna Consciousness (better known as the Hare
Krishna people), he said.
*******************************
*******************************
However, Nancy Kirkpatrick, senior vice-president of theatrical publicity
at Warner Bros, said she was not aware of any complaints against the
film. "All this is news to me," she said, adding it was a part of her
responsibility to track all organized letters, demonstrations and campaigns
against any Warner theatrical film.
Skeptics might argue that it would be futile to ask Warner Bros to make a
change to Eyes Wide Shut, given the contractual conditions that Kubrick
had set on the studio, including that no portion of the film could be altered
after his final edit. However, it is a well known fact that in order to avoid
the deathly NC-17 rating, the studio used 65 seconds of computerized
images to partially cover up the nudity in the orgy scene (the same scene
where the Gita shlokas are recited) in the film.
The studio proved that even a Stanley Kubrick work is not altogether
sacrosanct and it could make a change in the director's final vision if the
film's commercial viability was at stake. Perhaps then, it is safe to assume
that the fundamentalist Hindu lobby (which so successfully affected the
might of Sony Music in 1997) is still not strong enough to be a financial
threat to Warner Bros. A few letters to Time magazine and Hare Krishna
type protests do not shake the empire that Jack Warner built.
Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16 to mostly positive reviews. It was
the number one movie at the box office in the opening weekend, having
grossed an impressive $ 25 million. Since then, in the next two weeks, the
film's box office has plummeted by 55 per cent. Maybe Mahadevan
Shezian can take comfort in the fact that Hinduism will outlive its last
great threat at the end of 20th century.
Previous story: Shyamalan's 'Sixth Sense' Set To Spook Competition
Next story: Meat And Potato City
Offers Spicy Delicacies From
Ethiopia, Thailand And the
Subcontinent
===============
Post by DMJoshi
Now to find out if he is a white wannabe Hindu.
Get your money into airplane tickets and fly to Hawaii and go find him. It
should not be hard. Private investigators guarantee to find anyone.
Post by DMJoshi
He is Christian because of his excessive McCarthy-ism.
How do you get this when all he posts is anti-Christian?
The McCarthy-ism.
It is to protect Christian God.
It has become sin qua non for claiming "In God we trust" patriotism.
Only Christians are entitled to it.
He is really anti-Christian, pro-Hindu. see below just one example.
If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Post by Art Sowers
You can take me out of the "We" in the four words you wrote.
You dropping out is not going to change white Christians of America in
their belief that they will harvest largest number os souls on the
earth.
Post by Art Sowers
More below...
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Indians trying to find their feet in USA would throw word "commie" at
any one they could.
I see that you too are a part of that sickness.
You are out of your mind.
"Is Joshi a closet communist? " can only come from a soldier of
McCarthy-ism.
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc), going back a few decades was mostly really
communist.
In a way Israel was Communist that got US support from day one.
I do not have to be in "closet" to have my views.
That avenue is reserved for likes of you who speak with two tongues.
Post by Art Sowers
More below...
Post by DMJoshi
What about millions of US jobs and billions USD raining on India?
Only to increase profits of the American rich, no Charity to India.
India got plenty of charity from USA.
Name some.
Post by Art Sowers
Millions of jobs,
They are there for rich Americans to get bigger profits.
Post by Art Sowers
a future for
India.
You mean $10b arms deal that Obama signed recently with India?
Post by Art Sowers
Impossible without US market.
That market was opened for Indian mangoes by Bush in return for India
opening its market for Harley Davidson Motorbikes.
Post by Art Sowers
Same for China's start.
How come no Chines is giving you any lift, despite you having produced
one Ph.D. for them.
Post by Art Sowers
Plus, both cheated with cheap currency.
Take your time and give how many INR are right for 1 USD on what
basis.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  USA became target after CIA invited jihadis
Post by DMJoshi
from Arab countries to settle score with Soviet Union, very likely
promising them that the next territory to conquer for Islam is USA.
In your imagination.
Tell me how Al Qaeda was born and why they started to attack USA
everywhere? Russia or Cuba did not put them to it.
It started with communism, not USA.
"Al-Qaeda alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida, is a
militant Islamist group founded sometime between August 1988 and late
1989"
So explain how it started with Communism which started some 100 years
before that.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  which most white
Post by DMJoshi
Christians and USA and UK have been 99% of the time.
What do you think about black Christians? YOu know they exist too.
There are brown and yellow Christians too. For blacks it was to please
the white master who other wise will sell him to a worse slave driver.
What about Hindus? Mahraj puts on pedestal.
What about Hindus?
Put themselves on pedestal.
No Hindu will say he can save (harvest) a soul to be counted by
whatever god on whatever judgement day. Hindus are not in business of
converting others. It is those people who are on pedestal who like you
think that they are gift to this earth.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Anything USA did was for itself.
USA economy supports 100 mil jobs or more all over the world outside USA.
Get it stopped if you believe that solves your problem. Making a
bonfire of yourself in Time Square may turn the tide.
Nah, not worth my time.
But ranting "Indian job stealer" is worth your time.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Rediff will have no record. It will be the author of the piece who
would have beans on him to the extent he got them spilled. Get P.
Rajah to find him then an email from Dr Arthur Sowers will get you
"rained" on by the fellow.
You were the one asking the question.
What question?
You were pitying Abhyankar. Implies Abhyankar is sucker.
That was not a question. That was stating the fact that this
Ramchandra Abhyankar who became fannaba like Arthur Sowers became
Stray Dog finds Jay Stevens as his saviour. And Abhyankar has real
Ph.D. like Stray Dog has.
Art Sowers
2010-11-26 13:55:54 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
He is really anti-Christian, pro-Hindu. see below just one example.
If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
You can take me out of the "We" in the four words you wrote.
You dropping out is not going to change white Christians of America in
their belief that they will harvest largest number os souls on the
earth.
You can go to christian newsgroups and tell them that.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
More below...
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Indians trying to find their feet in USA would throw word "commie" at
any one they could.
I see that you too are a part of that sickness.
You are out of your mind.
"Is Joshi a closet communist? " can only come from a soldier of
McCarthy-ism.
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc), going back a few decades was mostly really
communist.
In a way Israel was Communist
You, as usual, stretch anything to your prejudices and change the topic,
too.
Post by DMJoshi
that got US support from day one.
I do not have to be in "closet" to have my views.
You do if you never complain about communism.
Post by DMJoshi
That avenue is reserved for likes of you who speak with two tongues.
How many more toungues do you have than two?
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
More below...
Post by DMJoshi
What about millions of US jobs and billions USD raining on India?
Only to increase profits of the American rich, no Charity to India.
India got plenty of charity from USA.
Name some.
USD, millions of jobs, access to vast markets. I've named before, you just
can't remember.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Millions of jobs,
They are there for rich Americans to get bigger profits.
According to Forbs, India now has more than 50 billionaires.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
a future for
India.
You mean $10b arms deal that Obama signed recently with India?
Starting with big free ride to India on silver platter.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Impossible without US market.
That market was opened for Indian mangoes by Bush in return for India
opening its market for Harley Davidson Motorbikes.
Small potatoes compared to IT busines which is 40-50% of India's export
service, which cost India almost nothing.

Plus all big US IT companies coming into India and hiring at least 95%
Indians to work in India.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Same for China's start.
How come no Chines is giving you any lift, despite you having produced
one Ph.D. for them.
You are supposed to say: look, China gives you cheap products.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Plus, both cheated with cheap currency.
Take your time and give how many INR are right for 1 USD on what
basis.
Easy answer: one Indian IT worker should get same as one American IT
worker. Of course, the jobs would come back to USA so India does not want
that.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  USA became target after CIA invited jihadis
Post by DMJoshi
from Arab countries to settle score with Soviet Union, very likely
promising them that the next territory to conquer for Islam is USA.
In your imagination.
Tell me how Al Qaeda was born and why they started to attack USA
everywhere? Russia or Cuba did not put them to it.
It started with communism, not USA.
"Al-Qaeda alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida, is a
militant Islamist group founded sometime between August 1988 and late
1989"
So explain how it started with Communism which started some 100 years
before that.
Communism came into Afghan, Pakiland, and even India, before those times.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
There are brown and yellow Christians too. For blacks it was to please
the white master who other wise will sell him to a worse slave driver.
What about Hindus? Mahraj puts on pedestal.
What about Hindus?
Put themselves on pedestal.
No Hindu will say he can save (harvest) a soul to be counted by
whatever god on whatever judgement day.
Some Hindus will reincarnate.

Hindus are not in business of
Post by DMJoshi
converting others.
I have gotten many google links on Hindu conversions.

It is those people who are on pedestal who like you
Post by DMJoshi
think that they are gift to this earth.
I read Indians like you on pedestal constantly lowering USA into toilet
based on lies.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Anything USA did was for itself.
USA economy supports 100 mil jobs or more all over the world outside USA.
Get it stopped if you believe that solves your problem. Making a
bonfire of yourself in Time Square may turn the tide.
Nah, not worth my time.
But ranting "Indian job stealer" is worth your time.
Here, below, is even from the mouth of an Indian.......

I'll bet you refuse to even read it.

------------------------
search string: "currency manipulation by india"

google result:

Indiadaily.com - The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs ...
The artificial currency manipulation by India and China allow this
kind of slave trade. The blame goes to Manmohan Singh Government
who allow these Indian ...
www.indiadaily.com/editorial/18632.asp - Cached - Similar

========== here is what is at that URL ====================

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/18632.asp

--------------------------------------------------

The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs sends BPO girls
towards rape, sexual assault and murder - 21-year-old BPO girl
raped and murdered in Pune Shaan Mathur
Nov. 3, 2007

Indian oligarchs run the BPO industry to serve the American and European
companies in the dark hours of the night. Call center girls are regarded
in America and Europe as nothing less that ‘call girls on phone’.

A so call ‘BPO girl’ was not paid enough to afford a car in Pune. She
took a cab at 10.30 PM at night to report to her work run by one of these
Indian oligarchs. She was raped by the cab driver and his friend, later
murdered and the body was left in a paddy field.

The Indian oligarchs who run these companies are shameless. They steal
jobs form American and European common people. They use common people of
India, slave them with low pay compared to what they receive from the
companies in Europe and America. These oligarchs do not even provide
adequate securities for the Indian girls who are picked up by vulgar
uneducated cab drivers and their attendants in the dark hours in India.

It is shame for India. It is a shame for Indian oligarchs who ‘trade
slaves’ with the west.

Government of India enjoys Foreign Direct Deposit and incoming outsourcing
dollars and Euros selling Indian ‘slaves’ to the western nations.

What happened in the dark hours in Pune is a shame for India and Indian
oligarchs who run the call centers and call themselves running Business
Process outsourcing companies. There is no business process that is getting
outsourced. Simply put they use Indian girls to answer phone calls from
America and Europe. It is pure and simple slave trade of modern day.

The artificial currency manipulation by India and China allow this kind
of slave trade.

The blame goes to Manmohan Singh Government who allow these Indian
oligarch rogues to operate the slave centers and call then Business
Process Outsourcing businesses. The blame goes on Indian common people
who would do anything for dollars and euros.
OUTSOURCING ARTICLES

The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs sends BPO girls towards
rape, sexual assault and murder - 21-year-old BPO girl raped and murdered
in Pune
Shaan Mathur
The Indian oligarchs who run these companies are shameless. They steal
jobs form American and European common people. They use common people of
India, slave them with low pay compared to what they receive from the
companies in Europe and America.
READ MORE>>

================================
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Rediff will have no record. It will be the author of the piece who
would have beans on him to the extent he got them spilled. Get P.
Rajah to find him then an email from Dr Arthur Sowers will get you
"rained" on by the fellow.
You were the one asking the question.
What question?
You were pitying Abhyankar. Implies Abhyankar is sucker.
That was not a question. That was stating the fact that this
Ramchandra Abhyankar who became fannaba like Arthur Sowers became
Stray Dog finds Jay Stevens as his saviour. And Abhyankar has real
Ph.D. like Stray Dog has.
You were the one who started all of this thread, so you have time for the
rant.
DMJoshi
2010-11-26 15:01:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
He is really anti-Christian, pro-Hindu. see below just one example.
If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Nothing to ask. He has stated it as true patriotic American.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
You can take me out of the "We" in the four words you wrote.
You dropping out is not going to change white Christians of America in
their belief that they will harvest largest number os souls on the
earth.
You can go to christian newsgroups and tell them that.
I am not out here to get in fights.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
More below...
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Indians trying to find their feet in USA would throw word "commie" at
any one they could.
I see that you too are a part of that sickness.
You are out of your mind.
"Is Joshi a closet communist? " can only come from a soldier of
McCarthy-ism.
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc), going back a few decades was mostly really
communist.
In a way Israel was Communist
You, as usual, stretch anything to your prejudices and change the topic,
too.
Israel is not in Asia. Those countries that tax heavily like Sweeden
are communistic too. It was Bust who dragged you back into rich
people's country.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
that got US support from day one.
I do not have to be in "closet" to have my views.
You do if you never complain about communism.
Bengal or West Bengal that was ruled by Nehru's party began to be
ruled by Communists 30 years after the independence by people voting
for it. I know quite a few Bengalis who had fled WB of Nehru's party
to far away states like Gujarat returned back to a stable state. Poor
people got surplus land to work on it. It is now 33 years and people
there are still with Communist. May be in next election Arindam's
relative's party will throw them out. Indians are used to all kinds of
political, religious diversities. Indian motto is "Only truth
prevails" satymeva jayate ( not putting it into script that will come
out gibberish on your computer) and not the Christian "In God We
Trust".

Now that America cannot manipulate South American states they are
electing leaders with socialistc bent of mind. Will be tough to
eliminate Hugo Chavez.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
That avenue is reserved for likes of you who speak with two tongues.
How many more toungues do you have than two?
Just one, Only Truth prevails.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
More below...
Post by DMJoshi
What about millions of US jobs and billions USD raining on India?
Only to increase profits of the American rich, no Charity to India.
India got plenty of charity from USA.
Name some.
USD, millions of jobs, access to vast markets. I've named before, you just
can't remember.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Millions of jobs,
They are there for rich Americans to get bigger profits.
According to Forbs, India now has more than 50 billionaires.
Are you saying they have hijacked American jobs?
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
a future for
India.
You mean $10b arms deal that Obama signed recently with India?
Starting with big free ride to India on silver platter.
Free ride to India of what. Surely not free ride to Indians any where
to India paid by USD.
Such rides are given here in UK to illegal immigrants of which Indians
are a rarity.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Impossible without US market.
That market was opened for Indian mangoes by Bush in return for India
opening its market for Harley Davidson Motorbikes.
Small potatoes compared to IT busines which is 40-50% of India's export
service, which cost India almost nothing.
Did american elect Bush because Democrats gave away American IT
Business to India or they elected Obama because Republicans gave away
American IT business to India?
Post by Art Sowers
Plus all big US IT companies coming into India and hiring at least 95%
Indians to work in India.
Stop them.
Again go up in flames in times square. Will need only $3 to buy petrol
for that.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Same for China's start.
How come no Chines is giving you any lift, despite you having produced
one Ph.D. for them.
You are supposed to say: look, China gives you cheap products.
And still you are stuck with soc.culture.indian.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Plus, both cheated with cheap currency.
Take your time and give how many INR are right for 1 USD on what
basis.
Easy answer: one Indian IT worker should get same as one American IT
worker. Of course, the jobs would come back to USA so India does not want
that.
There are other 99.99% of Indian who buy and sell through INR.
Besides make American Companies raise salary of their Indian workers.

Milk, Petrol costs more in India even if you pay it in USAD.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  USA became target after CIA invited jihadis
Post by DMJoshi
from Arab countries to settle score with Soviet Union, very likely
promising them that the next territory to conquer for Islam is USA.
In your imagination.
Tell me how Al Qaeda was born and why they started to attack USA
everywhere? Russia or Cuba did not put them to it.
It started with communism, not USA.
"Al-Qaeda alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida, is a
militant Islamist group founded sometime between August 1988 and late
1989"
So explain how it started with Communism which started some 100 years
before that.
Communism came into Afghan, Pakiland, and even India, before those times.
You make no sense.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
There are brown and yellow Christians too. For blacks it was to please
the white master who other wise will sell him to a worse slave driver.
What about Hindus? Mahraj puts on pedestal.
What about Hindus?
Put themselves on pedestal.
No Hindu will say he can save (harvest) a soul to be counted by
whatever god on whatever judgement day.
Some Hindus will reincarnate.
They don't like hallo around their head and wings in their back.
Post by Art Sowers
  Hindus are not in business of
Post by DMJoshi
converting others.
I have gotten many google links on Hindu conversions.
You could get another Ph.D. with that.
Post by Art Sowers
  It is those people who are on pedestal who like you
Post by DMJoshi
think that they are gift to this earth.
I read Indians like you on pedestal constantly lowering USA into toilet
based on lies.
If you put any one on pedestal it is your problem.
I simply enumerate the wrong steps USA has taken that has hurt the
worold, itself and more importantly to me India.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Anything USA did was for itself.
USA economy supports 100 mil jobs or more all over the world outside USA.
Get it stopped if you believe that solves your problem. Making a
bonfire of yourself in Time Square may turn the tide.
Nah, not worth my time.
But ranting "Indian job stealer" is worth your time.
Here, below, is even from the mouth of an Indian.......
I'll bet you refuse to even read it.
------------------------
search string: "currency manipulation by india"
Indiadaily.com - The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs ...
The artificial currency manipulation by India and China allow this
kind of slave trade. The blame goes to Manmohan Singh Government
who allow these Indian ...www.indiadaily.com/editorial/18632.asp- Cached - Similar
========== here is what is at that URL ====================
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/18632.asp
Indian Journalists are no different than any other Journalists. They
sensationalise. Perhaps Shaan Mathur will prefer sending his wife or
sister to brothel to earn living instead of honest work set up by any
one Indian, America, British.

Today most London Bus Drivers are non white. Whenever trains are not
running and Buses have to be run even the Bus Stop Guides are Sri
Lankan. Whites prefer to remain on doles rather than work.
Post by Art Sowers
The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs sends BPO girls
towards rape, sexual assault and murder - 21-year-old BPO girl
raped and murdered in Pune Shaan Mathur
Nov. 3, 2007
Indian oligarchs run the BPO industry to serve the American and European
companies in the dark hours of the night. Call center girls are regarded
in America and Europe as nothing less that ‘call girls on phone’.
A so call ‘BPO girl’ was not paid enough to afford a car in Pune. She
took a cab at 10.30 PM at night to report to her work run by one of these
Indian oligarchs. She was raped by the cab driver and his friend, later
murdered and the body was left in a paddy field.
The Indian oligarchs who run these companies are shameless. They steal
jobs form American and European common people. They use common people of
India, slave them with low pay compared to what they receive from the
companies in Europe and America. These oligarchs do not even provide
adequate securities for the Indian girls who are picked up by vulgar
uneducated cab drivers and their attendants in the dark hours in India.
It is shame for India. It is a shame for Indian oligarchs who ‘trade
slaves’ with the west.
Government of India enjoys Foreign Direct Deposit and incoming outsourcing
dollars and Euros selling Indian ‘slaves’ to the western nations.
What happened in the dark hours in Pune is a shame for India and Indian
oligarchs who run the call centers and call themselves running Business
Process outsourcing companies. There is no business process that is getting
outsourced. Simply put they use Indian girls to answer phone calls from
America and Europe. It is pure and simple slave trade of modern day.
The artificial currency manipulation by India and China allow this kind
of slave trade.
The blame goes to Manmohan Singh Government who allow these Indian
oligarch rogues to operate the slave centers and call then Business
Process Outsourcing businesses. The blame goes on Indian common people
who would do anything for dollars and euros.
OUTSOURCING ARTICLES
The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs sends BPO girls towards
rape, sexual assault and murder - 21-year-old BPO girl raped and murdered
in Pune
Shaan Mathur
The Indian oligarchs who run these companies are shameless. They steal
jobs form American and European common people. They use common people of
India, slave them with low pay compared to what they receive from the
companies in Europe and America.
READ MORE>>
================================
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Rediff will have no record. It will be the author of the piece who
would have beans on him to the extent he got them spilled. Get P.
Rajah to find him then an email from Dr Arthur Sowers will get you
"rained" on by the fellow.
You were the one asking the question.
What question?
You were pitying Abhyankar. Implies Abhyankar is sucker.
That was not a question. That was stating the fact that this
Ramchandra Abhyankar who became fannaba like Arthur Sowers became
Stray Dog finds Jay Stevens as his saviour. And Abhyankar has real
Ph.D. like Stray Dog has.
You were the one who started all of this thread, so you have time for the
rant.
But you need to take up the thread.
P. Rajah
2010-11-26 15:17:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Israel is not in Asia.
Echoes of Kamal, shooting his mouth off without having the facts!
DMJoshi
2010-11-26 15:25:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Israel is not in Asia.
Echoes of Kamal, shooting his mouth off without having the facts!
You are right.
Art Sowers
2010-11-26 19:12:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Israel is not in Asia.
Echoes of Kamal, shooting his mouth off without having the facts!
You are right.
Minor correction: instead of Joshi's mouth, I think Joshi's hole
in ass.

I don't know if brown soggy old toilet paper in hole needs to be removed,
or add more new fresh toilet paper.
Art Sowers
2010-11-26 19:02:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Nothing to ask. He has stated it as true patriotic American.
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
You can take me out of the "We" in the four words you wrote.
You dropping out is not going to change white Christians of America in
their belief that they will harvest largest number os souls on the
earth.
You can go to christian newsgroups and tell them that.
I am not out here to get in fights.
You have been in fights for a long time, already, with many people.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc), going back a few decades was mostly really
communist.
In a way Israel was Communist
You, as usual, stretch anything to your prejudices and change the topic,
too.
Israel is not in Asia.
You, not I, brought Israel into the picture, and thus you took communist
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc) out of the picture.

Those countries that tax heavily like Sweeden
Post by DMJoshi
are communistic too.
Not at all, just high tax which feeds educational, medical programs.

It was Bust who dragged you back into rich
Post by DMJoshi
people's country.
?? Who is "Bust"?
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
that got US support from day one.
I do not have to be in "closet" to have my views.
You do if you never complain about communism.
Bengal or West Bengal that was ruled by Nehru's party began to be
ruled by Communists 30 years after the independence by people voting
for it. I know quite a few Bengalis who had fled WB of Nehru's party
to far away states like Gujarat returned back to a stable state. Poor
people got surplus land to work on it. It is now 33 years and people
there are still with Communist. May be in next election Arindam's
relative's party will throw them out. Indians are used to all kinds of
political, religious diversities. Indian motto is "Only truth
prevails" satymeva jayate ( not putting it into script that will come
out gibberish on your computer) and not the Christian "In God We
Trust".
This is the best you can do to explain Naxalite/Maoist control in eastern
1/4 of India?
Post by DMJoshi
Now that America cannot manipulate South American states they are
electing leaders with socialistc bent of mind.
So, you must be happy with this?

Will be tough to
Post by DMJoshi
eliminate Hugo Chavez.
He is having plenty of trouble without USA help.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
That avenue is reserved for likes of you who speak with two tongues.
How many more toungues do you have than two?
Just one, Only Truth prevails.
Maybe in your _opinion_ (which is not truth).
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
More below...
Post by DMJoshi
What about millions of US jobs and billions USD raining on India?
Only to increase profits of the American rich, no Charity to India.
India got plenty of charity from USA.
Name some.
USD, millions of jobs, access to vast markets. I've named before, you just
can't remember.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Millions of jobs,
They are there for rich Americans to get bigger profits.
According to Forbs, India now has more than 50 billionaires.
Are you saying they have hijacked American jobs?
Very similar meaning to "job stealers."
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
a future for
India.
You mean $10b arms deal that Obama signed recently with India?
Starting with big free ride to India on silver platter.
Free ride to India of what.
You mean chickenfeed $10 b to US for arms when $ 50 bil goes to India for
cheap IT, $ billions in remitances (free money) from Indians in USA
"stealing" money out of US economy?

Surely not free ride to Indians any where
Post by DMJoshi
to India paid by USD.
And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
Post by DMJoshi
Such rides are given here in UK to illegal immigrants of which Indians
are a rarity.
And plenty of illegal Indians more every day in USA?
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Impossible without US market.
That market was opened for Indian mangoes by Bush in return for India
opening its market for Harley Davidson Motorbikes.
Small potatoes compared to IT busines which is 40-50% of India's export
service, which cost India almost nothing.
Did american elect Bush because
...because Democrats did come up with a good candidate.

Democrats gave away American IT
Post by DMJoshi
Business to India or they elected Obama because Republicans gave away
American IT business to India?
Our prezs wanted expanded business in India as gift to India for becoming
part of world trade, only India played cheat.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Plus all big US IT companies coming into India and hiring at least 95%
Indians to work in India.
Stop them.
They have too much power, too much money.
Post by DMJoshi
Again go up in flames in times square.
Oh, so peaceful Hindu like you wants to expand sati to me? USA?

Will need only $3 to buy petrol
Post by DMJoshi
for that.
I need petrol to take wife to grocery store. If I go up in flames, then
she will have to carry in arthritis pain groceries to car without my help.

Besides, I think flames will hurt.
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Same for China's start.
How come no Chines is giving you any lift, despite you having produced
one Ph.D. for them.
You are supposed to say: look, China gives you cheap products.
And still you are stuck with soc.culture.indian.
Oh, I like soc.culture.indian. Much better nutcases than on
alt.politics.economics. They are mostly superior wackos than Indians here.

Have you argued yet with Rod Speed?
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Plus, both cheated with cheap currency.
Take your time and give how many INR are right for 1 USD on what
basis.
Easy answer: one Indian IT worker should get same as one American IT
worker. Of course, the jobs would come back to USA so India does not want
that.
There are other 99.99% of Indian who buy and sell through INR.
What? You want all the 120 jobs in USA to go give 240 mil Indians better
jobs, too?
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Besides make American Companies raise salary of their Indian workers.
I bet if they have to pay more to Indian workers, then they will re-hire
American workers.
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Milk, Petrol costs more in India even if you pay it in USAD.
Milk, petrol costs the same to US billionaires as US poor people, who
drink water instead, and have no car because $8/hr jobs here can't support
a car.
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It started with communism, not USA.
"Al-Qaeda alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida, is a
militant Islamist group founded sometime between August 1988 and late
1989"
So explain how it started with Communism which started some 100 years
before that.
Communism came into Afghan, Pakiland, and even India, before those times.
You make no sense.
How come you don't blame communism that got into India, China in late
1940s, well before US/capitalism got into Afghan/Pakistan?

Don't count CIA unless you count KGB, which was everywhere, also before
late 1940s.
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There are brown and yellow Christians too. For blacks it was to please
the white master who other wise will sell him to a worse slave driver.
What about Hindus? Mahraj puts on pedestal.
What about Hindus?
Put themselves on pedestal.
No Hindu will say he can save (harvest) a soul to be counted by
whatever god on whatever judgement day.
Some Hindus will reincarnate.
They don't like hallo around their head and wings in their back.
What does halo, wings have to do with reincarnation (only available to
Hindus)?

But, guys like you do not need reincarnation to put yourself on pedestal
and lower USA into toilet.
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  Hindus are not in business of
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converting others.
I have gotten many google links on Hindu conversions.
You could get another Ph.D. with that.
Even on Hindu websites. Surely for paying some fee. Another idea from
"Christian western business:" how to make money for Hinduism.

Where is your "thank you" for that, too?
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  It is those people who are on pedestal who like you
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think that they are gift to this earth.
I read Indians like you on pedestal constantly lowering USA into toilet
based on lies.
If you put any one on pedestal it is your problem.
I thought it was you who claimed such peaceful Hindus all over?
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I simply enumerate the wrong steps USA has taken that has hurt the
worold, itself and more importantly to me India.
And, conveniently forgot to look for any good things the USA has done?

See, you have only negative attitude.

OK, I will "thank" India for cheap labor, just to show you I am not 100%
negative anti-Indian.
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USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Anything USA did was for itself.
USA economy supports 100 mil jobs or more all over the world outside USA.
Get it stopped if you believe that solves your problem. Making a
bonfire of yourself in Time Square may turn the tide.
Nah, not worth my time.
But ranting "Indian job stealer" is worth your time.
Here, below, is even from the mouth of an Indian.......
I'll bet you refuse to even read it.
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search string: "currency manipulation by india"
Indiadaily.com - The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs ...
The artificial currency manipulation by India and China allow this
kind of slave trade. The blame goes to Manmohan Singh Government
who allow these Indian ...www.indiadaily.com/editorial/18632.asp- Cached - Similar
========== here is what is at that URL ====================
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/18632.asp
Indian Journalists are no different than any other Journalists.
Really?

They
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sensationalise. Perhaps Shaan Mathur will prefer sending his wife or
sister to brothel to earn living instead of honest work set up by any
one Indian, America, British.
OK, what is it, the truth as reported by journalists, or did (Indian)
jounalists make up the story? It was Indian people, both in the story or
in the journalists.
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Today most London Bus Drivers are non white.
It might be true in USA, too. I have not been on big city bus in a long
time.

Whenever trains are not
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running and Buses have to be run even the Bus Stop Guides are Sri
Lankan. Whites prefer to remain on doles rather than work.
The dole in US is no longer endless. But, fact is non-whites in USA have
higher unemployment, and as many illegal as sum of unemployment.
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The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs sends BPO girls
towards rape, sexual assault and murder - 21-year-old BPO girl
raped and murdered in Pune Shaan Mathur
Nov. 3, 2007
Indian oligarchs run the BPO industry to serve the American and European
companies in the dark hours of the night. Call center girls are regarded
in America and Europe as nothing less that ‘call girls on phone’.
A so call ‘BPO girl’ was not paid enough to afford a car in Pune. She
took a cab at 10.30 PM at night to report to her work run by one of these
Indian oligarchs. She was raped by the cab driver and his friend, later
murdered and the body was left in a paddy field.
The Indian oligarchs who run these companies are shameless. They steal
jobs form American and European common people. They use common people of
India, slave them with low pay compared to what they receive from the
companies in Europe and America. These oligarchs do not even provide
adequate securities for the Indian girls who are picked up by vulgar
uneducated cab drivers and their attendants in the dark hours in India.
It is shame for India. It is a shame for Indian oligarchs who ‘trade
slaves’ with the west.
Government of India enjoys Foreign Direct Deposit and incoming outsourcing
dollars and Euros selling Indian ‘slaves’ to the western nations.
What happened in the dark hours in Pune is a shame for India and Indian
oligarchs who run the call centers and call themselves running Business
Process outsourcing companies. There is no business process that is getting
outsourced. Simply put they use Indian girls to answer phone calls from
America and Europe. It is pure and simple slave trade of modern day.
The artificial currency manipulation by India and China allow this kind
of slave trade.
The blame goes to Manmohan Singh Government who allow these Indian
oligarch rogues to operate the slave centers and call then Business
Process Outsourcing businesses. The blame goes on Indian common people
who would do anything for dollars and euros.
OUTSOURCING ARTICLES
The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs sends BPO girls towards
rape, sexual assault and murder - 21-year-old BPO girl raped and murdered
in Pune
Shaan Mathur
The Indian oligarchs who run these companies are shameless. They steal
jobs form American and European common people. They use common people of
India, slave them with low pay compared to what they receive from the
companies in Europe and America.
READ MORE>>
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Rediff will have no record. It will be the author of the piece who
would have beans on him to the extent he got them spilled. Get P.
Rajah to find him then an email from Dr Arthur Sowers will get you
"rained" on by the fellow.
You were the one asking the question.
What question?
You were pitying Abhyankar. Implies Abhyankar is sucker.
That was not a question. That was stating the fact that this
Ramchandra Abhyankar who became fannaba like Arthur Sowers became
Stray Dog finds Jay Stevens as his saviour. And Abhyankar has real
Ph.D. like Stray Dog has.
You were the one who started all of this thread, so you have time for the
rant.
But you need to take up the thread.
I see you need, too.
DMJoshi
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If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Nothing to ask. He has stated it as true patriotic American.
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries" on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
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You can take me out of the "We" in the four words you wrote.
You dropping out is not going to change white Christians of America in
their belief that they will harvest largest number os souls on the
earth.
You can go to christian newsgroups and tell them that.
I am not out here to get in fights.
You have been in fights for a long time, already, with many people.
I do not seek it out.
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Asia (USSR, India, China, etc), going back a few decades was mostly really
communist.
In a way Israel was Communist
You, as usual, stretch anything to your prejudices and change the topic,
too.
Israel is not in Asia.
You, not I, brought Israel into the picture, and thus you took communist
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc) out of the picture.
Lot of Europe was Communist. A good result of that was countries under
the umbrella of Yugoslavia of which USA was enemy from the beginning
and was successful to bring holocaust there, with bonus of Islamic
Jihadis nurtured by America with Pakistan coming there.
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  Those countries that tax heavily like Sweeden
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are communistic too.
Not at all, just high tax which feeds educational, medical programs.
  It was Bust who dragged you back into rich
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people's country.
?? Who is "Bust"?
Make it Bush.
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that got US support from day one.
I do not have to be in "closet" to have my views.
You do if you never complain about communism.
Bengal or West Bengal that was ruled by Nehru's party began to be
ruled by Communists 30 years after the independence by people voting
for it. I know quite a few Bengalis who had fled WB of Nehru's party
to far away states like Gujarat returned back to a stable state. Poor
people got surplus land to work on it. It is now 33 years and people
there are still with Communist. May be in next election Arindam's
relative's party will throw them out. Indians are used to all kinds of
political, religious diversities. Indian motto is "Only truth
prevails" satymeva jayate ( not putting it into script that will come
out gibberish on your computer) and not the Christian "In God We
Trust".
This is the best you can do to explain Naxalite/Maoist control in eastern
1/4 of India?
You want to remain ignorant. Use Google search on what I wrote.
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Now that America cannot manipulate South American states they are
electing leaders with socialistc bent of mind.
So, you must be happy with this?
You unhappy that CIA will have trouble eliminating the new crop of
people's leaders there?
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  Will be tough to
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eliminate Hugo Chavez.
He is having plenty of trouble without USA help.
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That avenue is reserved for likes of you who speak with two tongues.
How many more toungues do you have than two?
Just one, Only Truth prevails.
Maybe in your _opinion_ (which is not truth).
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What about millions of US jobs and billions USD raining on India?
Only to increase profits of the American rich, no Charity to India.
India got plenty of charity from USA.
Name some.
USD, millions of jobs, access to vast markets. I've named before, you just
can't remember.
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Millions of jobs,
They are there for rich Americans to get bigger profits.
According to Forbs, India now has more than 50 billionaires.
Are you saying they have hijacked American jobs?
Very similar meaning to "job stealers."
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a future for
India.
You mean $10b arms deal that Obama signed recently with India?
Starting with big free ride to India on silver platter.
Free ride to India of what.
You mean chickenfeed $10 b to US for arms when $ 50 bil goes to India for
cheap IT, $ billions in remitances (free money) from Indians in USA
"stealing" money out of US economy?
Indians are used to live economically. They do not spend on booze or
expensive holidays. It is their money. They do not tell you where to
use your money. But it hurts you they using their money not according
to your priorities. It is like Christians and Muslims telling others
what God to please.
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  Surely not free ride to Indians any where
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to India paid by USD.
And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
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Such rides are given here in UK to illegal immigrants of which Indians
are a rarity.
And plenty of illegal Indians more every day in USA?
Spend more on FBI to catch them.
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Impossible without US market.
That market was opened for Indian mangoes by Bush in return for India
opening its market for Harley Davidson Motorbikes.
Small potatoes compared to IT busines which is 40-50% of India's export
service, which cost India almost nothing.
Did american elect Bush because
...because Democrats did come up with a good candidate.
  Democrats gave away American IT
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Business to India or they elected Obama because Republicans gave away
American IT business to India?
Our prezs wanted expanded business in India as gift to India for becoming
part of world trade, only India played cheat.
Your whining is endless.
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Plus all big US IT companies coming into India and hiring at least 95%
Indians to work in India.
Stop them.
They have too much power, too much money.
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Again go up in flames in times square.
Oh, so peaceful Hindu like you wants to expand sati to me? USA?
It will give you permanent relief over your constant belly ache.
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  Will need only $3 to buy petrol
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for that.
I need petrol to take wife to grocery store. If I go up in flames, then
she will have to carry in arthritis pain groceries to car without my help.
Take care of her instead of spending time whining here.
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Besides, I think flames will hurt.
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Same for China's start.
How come no Chines is giving you any lift, despite you having produced
one Ph.D. for them.
You are supposed to say: look, China gives you cheap products.
And still you are stuck with soc.culture.indian.
Oh, I like soc.culture.indian. Much better nutcases than on
alt.politics.economics. They are mostly superior wackos than Indians here.
Have you argued yet with Rod Speed?
The guy who felt good that Churchill purposely let 3 million die in
1943. Typical Christian.
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Plus, both cheated with cheap currency.
Take your time and give how many INR are right for 1 USD on what
basis.
Easy answer: one Indian IT worker should get same as one American IT
worker. Of course, the jobs would come back to USA so India does not want
that.
There are other 99.99% of Indian who buy and sell through INR.
What? You want all the 120 jobs in USA to go give 240 mil Indians better
jobs, too?
If Americans do not get off their ass and start working jobs will be
taken by outsiders, first of course by Mexicans.
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Besides make American Companies raise salary of their Indian workers.
I bet if they have to pay more to Indian workers, then they will re-hire
American workers.
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Milk, Petrol costs more in India even if you pay it in USAD.
Milk, petrol costs the same to US billionaires as US poor people, who
drink water instead, and have no car because $8/hr jobs here can't support
a car.
Recent election show that American care too hoot for their poor who
got some relief in health care from Obama administration.
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It started with communism, not USA.
"Al-Qaeda alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida, is a
militant Islamist group founded sometime between August 1988 and late
1989"
So explain how it started with Communism which started some 100 years
before that.
Communism came into Afghan, Pakiland, and even India, before those times.
You make no sense.
How come you don't blame communism that got into India, China in late
1940s, well before US/capitalism got into Afghan/Pakistan?
It was not Capitalism tha came to Afghanistan/Pakistan. It was
American military trainers with weapons.
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Don't count CIA unless you count KGB, which was everywhere, also before
late 1940s.
Of course CIA will be reported to be present by American Civil
servants everywhere.



Get me something similar on KGB.
The clip even tells how CIA got 20000 Hungarian killed, also Kurds
were made to die.
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There are brown and yellow Christians too. For blacks it was to please
the white master who other wise will sell him to a worse slave driver.
What about Hindus? Mahraj puts on pedestal.
What about Hindus?
Put themselves on pedestal.
No Hindu will say he can save (harvest) a soul to be counted by
whatever god on whatever judgement day.
Some Hindus will reincarnate.
They don't like hallo around their head and wings in their back.
What does halo, wings have to do with reincarnation (only available to
Hindus)?
Call the Gita fellow. He will get you to reincarnate.
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But, guys like you do not need reincarnation to put yourself on pedestal
and lower USA into toilet.
USA has lowered itself in toilet, starting with Viet Nam.
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  Hindus are not in business of
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converting others.
I have gotten many google links on Hindu conversions.
You could get another Ph.D. with that.
Even on Hindu websites. Surely for paying some fee. Another idea from
"Christian western business:" how to make money for Hinduism.
Where is your "thank you" for that, too?
You want me to thank whom for Maharaj making money?
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think that they are gift to this earth.
I read Indians like you on pedestal constantly lowering USA into toilet
based on lies.
If you put any one on pedestal it is your problem.
I thought it was you who claimed such peaceful Hindus all over?
They do not want to harvest souls. Of course they will be happy to
take money from western fools who to them asking them to get them
reincarnated as donkey or dog after they die. Christians have always
had funny ideas like rich Egyptians 3000 years back.
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I simply enumerate the wrong steps USA has taken that has hurt the
worold, itself and more importantly to me India.
And, conveniently forgot to look for any good things the USA has done?
See, you have only negative attitude.
OK, I will "thank" India for cheap labor, just to show you I am not 100%
negative anti-Indian.
In my memory only Clinton acted as a decent human being asking
Pakistan to get off Kargil before he can speak to India not to go
further inside Pakistan.
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USA did more for India than India did for USA.
Anything USA did was for itself.
USA economy supports 100 mil jobs or more all over the world outside USA.
Get it stopped if you believe that solves your problem. Making a
bonfire of yourself in Time Square may turn the tide.
Nah, not worth my time.
But ranting "Indian job stealer" is worth your time.
Here, below, is even from the mouth of an Indian.......
I'll bet you refuse to even read it.
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search string: "currency manipulation by india"
Indiadaily.com - The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs ...
The artificial currency manipulation by India and China allow this
kind of slave trade. The blame goes to Manmohan Singh Government
who allow these Indian ...www.indiadaily.com/editorial/18632.asp-Cached - Similar
========== here is what is at that URL ====================
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/18632.asp
Indian Journalists are no different than any other Journalists.
Really?
  They
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sensationalise. Perhaps Shaan Mathur  will prefer sending his wife or
sister to brothel to earn living instead of honest work set up by any
one Indian, America, British.
OK, what is it, the truth as reported by journalists, or did (Indian)
jounalists make up the story? It was Indian people, both in the story or
in the journalists.
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Today most London Bus Drivers are non white.
It might be true in USA, too. I have not been on big city bus in a long
time.
  Whenever trains are not
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running and Buses have to be run even the Bus Stop Guides are Sri
Lankan. Whites prefer to remain on doles rather than work.
The dole in US is no longer endless. But, fact is non-whites in USA have
higher unemployment, and as many illegal as sum of unemployment.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs sends BPO girls
towards rape, sexual assault and murder - 21-year-old BPO girl
raped and murdered in Pune Shaan Mathur
Nov. 3, 2007
Indian oligarchs run the BPO industry to serve the American and European
companies in the dark hours of the night. Call center girls are regarded
in America and Europe as nothing less that ‘call girls on phone’.
A so call ‘BPO girl’ was not paid enough to afford a car in Pune. She
took a cab at 10.30 PM at night to report to her work run by one of these
Indian oligarchs. She was raped by the cab driver and his friend, later
murdered and the body was left in a paddy field.
The Indian oligarchs who run these companies are shameless. They steal
jobs form American and European common people. They use common people of
India, slave them with low pay compared to what they receive from the
companies in Europe and America. These oligarchs do not even provide
adequate securities for the Indian girls who are picked up by vulgar
uneducated cab drivers and their attendants in the dark hours in India.
It is shame for India. It is a shame for Indian oligarchs who ‘trade
slaves’ with the west.
Government of India enjoys Foreign Direct Deposit and incoming outsourcing
dollars and Euros selling Indian ‘slaves’ to the western nations.
What happened in the dark hours in Pune is a shame for India and Indian
oligarchs who run the call centers and call themselves running Business
Process outsourcing companies. There is no business process that is getting
outsourced. Simply put they use Indian girls to answer phone calls from
America and Europe. It is pure and simple slave trade of modern day.
The artificial currency manipulation by India and China allow this kind
of slave trade.
The blame goes to Manmohan Singh Government who allow these Indian
oligarch rogues to operate the slave centers and call then Business
Process Outsourcing businesses. The blame goes on Indian common people
who would do anything for dollars and euros.
OUTSOURCING ARTICLES
The greed of dollar and euro by Indian oligarchs sends BPO girls towards
rape, sexual assault and murder - 21-year-old BPO girl raped and murdered
in Pune
Shaan Mathur
The Indian oligarchs who run these companies are shameless. They steal
jobs form American and European common people. They use common people of
India, slave them with low pay compared to what they receive from the
companies in Europe and America.
READ MORE>>
================================
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Rediff will have no record. It will be the author of the piece who
would have beans on him to the extent he got them spilled. Get P.
Rajah to find him then an email from Dr Arthur Sowers will get you
"rained" on by the fellow.
You were the one asking the question.
What question?
You were pitying Abhyankar. Implies Abhyankar is sucker.
That was not a question. That was stating the fact that this
Ramchandra Abhyankar who became fannaba like Arthur Sowers became
Stray Dog finds Jay Stevens as his saviour. And Abhyankar has real
Ph.D. like Stray Dog has.
You were the one who started all of this thread, so you have time for the
rant.
But you need to take up the thread.
I see you need, too.
P. Rajah
2010-11-26 22:15:26 UTC
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[....]
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries" on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
Search for "One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed. For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred." Would you call the
person writing it a patriotic American?
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Indians are used to live economically. They do not spend on booze or
expensive holidays. It is their money.
http://indianblogger.com/marriages-today-styles-and-extrvagence/
http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit02272006/index.asp
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/catalyst/2006/10/26/stories/2006102600160300.htm
http://www.rupeetimes.com/news/credit_cards/credit_card_default_continue_to_rise_2199.html
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2010-11-27 07:54:59 UTC
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[....]
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries" on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
Search for "One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed.  For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred." Would you call the
person writing it a patriotic American?
For me it is the hight of white jingoism that says it is the protector
of the world against Muslim terrorism. As for India it was white
Christian's inferiority complex vis a vis Hindu way of life philosophy
(call it religious philosophy) that fanned muslim fundamentalism among
western educated Muslims of the subcontinent, particularly among the
Muslims around Aligadh who got Pakistan realized (and now crying on
every occasion that Indira could have saved them in 1971).

Once Pakistan came into being burden of keeping torch alive was taken
over by USA that finally created Al Qaeda in later part of 1980s.
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Indians are used to live economically. They do not spend on booze or
expensive holidays. It is their money.
http://indianblogger.com/marriages-today-styles-and-extrvagence/http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit02272006/index.asphttp://www.thehindubusinessline.com/catalyst/2006/10/26/stories/20061...http://www.rupeetimes.com/news/credit_cards/credit_card_default_conti...
P. Rajah
2010-11-27 14:52:28 UTC
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Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries" on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
Search for "One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed. For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred." Would you call the
person writing it a patriotic American?
For me it is the hight of white jingoism that says it is the protector
of the world against Muslim terrorism. As for India it was white
Christian's inferiority complex vis a vis Hindu way of life philosophy
(call it religious philosophy) that fanned muslim fundamentalism among
western educated Muslims of the subcontinent, particularly among the
Muslims around Aligadh who got Pakistan realized (and now crying on
every occasion that Indira could have saved them in 1971).
Once Pakistan came into being burden of keeping torch alive was taken
over by USA that finally created Al Qaeda in later part of 1980s.
Once more, you dance around the question with nonsensical and fantastic
claims. The question, once more, is: is the person who wrote this "a
patriotic American" or not:
"One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed. For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred."

A simple answer such as "Yes, he is a patriotic American" or "No, he is
not a patriotic American" will do.
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Indians are used to live economically. They do not spend on booze or
expensive holidays. It is their money.
http://indianblogger.com/marriages-today-styles-and-extrvagence/http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit02272006/index.asphttp://www.thehindubusinessline.com/catalyst/2006/10/26/stories/20061...http://www.rupeetimes.com/news/credit_cards/credit_card_default_conti...
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Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries" on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
Search for "One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed.  For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred." Would you call the
person writing it a patriotic American?
For me it is the hight of white jingoism that says it is the protector
of the world against Muslim terrorism. As for India it was white
Christian's inferiority complex vis a vis Hindu way of life philosophy
(call it religious philosophy) that fanned muslim fundamentalism among
western educated Muslims of the subcontinent, particularly  among the
Muslims around Aligadh who got Pakistan realized (and now crying on
every occasion that Indira could have saved them in 1971).
Once Pakistan came into being burden of keeping torch alive was taken
over by USA that finally created Al Qaeda in later part of 1980s.
Once more, you dance around the question with nonsensical and fantastic
claims. The question, once more, is: is the person who wrote this "a
"One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed.  For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred."
A simple answer such as "Yes, he is a patriotic American" or "No, he is
not a patriotic American" will do.
Pompous brat, go practice your brightness elsewhere. Who the fuck you
are to demand a yes no answer?
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Indians are used to live economically. They do not spend on booze or
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http://indianblogger.com/marriages-today-styles-and-extrvagence/http:......
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2010-11-28 23:34:08 UTC
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Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries" on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
Search for "One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed. For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred." Would you call the
person writing it a patriotic American?
For me it is the hight of white jingoism that says it is the protector
of the world against Muslim terrorism. As for India it was white
Christian's inferiority complex vis a vis Hindu way of life philosophy
(call it religious philosophy) that fanned muslim fundamentalism among
western educated Muslims of the subcontinent, particularly among the
Muslims around Aligadh who got Pakistan realized (and now crying on
every occasion that Indira could have saved them in 1971).
Once Pakistan came into being burden of keeping torch alive was taken
over by USA that finally created Al Qaeda in later part of 1980s.
Once more, you dance around the question with nonsensical and fantastic
claims. The question, once more, is: is the person who wrote this "a
"One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed. For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred."
A simple answer such as "Yes, he is a patriotic American" or "No, he is
not a patriotic American" will do.
Pompous brat, go practice your brightness elsewhere. Who the fuck you
are to demand a yes no answer?
Because you made a claim that is nonsensical, you asswipe! Besides, you
asked the same question of Art Sowers, so what makes you think you are a
fucking god that only you can ask questions?
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Indians are used to live economically. They do not spend on booze or
expensive holidays. It is their money.
http://indianblogger.com/marriages-today-styles-and-extrvagence/http:......
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Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries" on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
Search for "One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed. For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred." Would you call the
person writing it a patriotic American?
For me it is the hight of white jingoism that says it is the protector
of the world against Muslim terrorism. As for India it was white
Christian's inferiority complex vis a vis Hindu way of life philosophy
(call it religious philosophy) that fanned muslim fundamentalism among
western educated Muslims of the subcontinent, particularly among the
Muslims around Aligadh who got Pakistan realized (and now crying on
every occasion that Indira could have saved them in 1971).
Once Pakistan came into being burden of keeping torch alive was taken
over by USA that finally created Al Qaeda in later part of 1980s.
Once more, you dance around the question with nonsensical and fantastic
claims. The question, once more, is: is the person who wrote this "a
"One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed. For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred."
A simple answer such as "Yes, he is a patriotic American" or "No, he is
not a patriotic American" will do.
Pompous brat, go practice your brightness elsewhere. Who the fuck you
are to demand a yes no answer?
Because you made a claim that is nonsensical, you asswipe! Besides, you asked
the same question of Art Sowers, so what makes you think you are a fucking
god that only you can ask questions?
Good point. But guys like Joshi are playing an "Alice-in-Wonderland"
intellectual game. They want to play by their rules, break their own rules
anytime, but they expect you to give only what answers they want.

Guys like Maharaj (and Joshi) could be used in formal logic courses as
examples of defective thinking. Even in formal courses on debating, Joshi
would be full of poor examples.
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Indians are used to live economically. They do not spend on booze or
expensive holidays. It is their money.
http://indianblogger.com/marriages-today-styles-and-extrvagence/http:......
Art Sowers
2010-11-27 20:10:34 UTC
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Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries" on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
Search for "One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam],
philosophies[Christian, Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning
western] that are enemies of Hindus will be destroyed. For the sake of
efficiency, their mutual destruction is preferred." Would you call the
person writing it a patriotic American?
For me it is the hight of white jingoism that says it is the protector
of the world against Muslim terrorism. As for India it was white
Christian's inferiority complex vis a vis Hindu way of life philosophy
(call it religious philosophy) that fanned muslim fundamentalism among
western educated Muslims of the subcontinent, particularly among the
Muslims around Aligadh who got Pakistan realized (and now crying on
every occasion that Indira could have saved them in 1971).
Once Pakistan came into being burden of keeping torch alive was taken
over by USA that finally created Al Qaeda in later part of 1980s.
Once more, you dance around the question with nonsensical and fantastic
claims. The question, once more, is: is the person who wrote this "a
"One trusts that religions[Christianity and Islam], philosophies[Christian,
Jewish, Islamic] and ways of life[meaning western] that are enemies of Hindus
will be destroyed. For the sake of efficiency, their mutual destruction is
preferred."
No, he is not a patriotic American (especially if "mutual destruction"
ends up wiping out 95% of the population of the USA which identify
themselves as Christian, Jewish, Muslim).
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A simple answer such as "Yes, he is a patriotic American" or "No, he is not a
patriotic American" will do.
I would like to see Maharaj's rationalization for that statement and the
"debt of gratitude" statement.

Because I can't get from one to the other, or back from the other to the
one.
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Indians are used to live economically. They do not spend on booze or
expensive holidays. It is their money.
http://indianblogger.com/marriages-today-styles-and-extrvagence/http://www.sawf.org/newedit/edit02272006/index.asphttp://www.thehindubusinessline.com/catalyst/2006/10/26/stories/20061...http://www.rupeetimes.com/news/credit_cards/credit_card_default_conti...
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2010-11-27 00:51:48 UTC
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If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Nothing to ask. He has stated it as true patriotic American.
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries"
I would have to ask him to explain his motivation for saying that as well
as saying all his anti-American posts.

After all, he has said/done/posted lots of contradictions, too.
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on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
First of all, what is patriotic? What is nationalist?

I say patriotism is: "I'll do anything for my country, whether it is good
or bad"

I say nationalism is: "my country is the best, greatest, superior to any
other country, and we should be running the world under our system
[imperialism]."

I think we can argue infinitely about whether US actions are net good or
net bad. All depends on who you talk to.

Maharaj, with his pro-India-anti-US content, ...I just can't connect him
to the word: patriotic [to the USA]. I can bitch about bad things in the
USA, too, but I can also list good things, too. I can talk about bad
things the USA did outside, but I think I can list good things, too.

You can tweak any way you want.
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You can take me out of the "We" in the four words you wrote.
You dropping out is not going to change white Christians of America in
their belief that they will harvest largest number os souls on the
earth.
You can go to christian newsgroups and tell them that.
I am not out here to get in fights.
You have been in fights for a long time, already, with many people.
I do not seek it out.
Fine. Someone gives their opinion. I give mine. Maybe best ending is:
peaceful coexistence, no?
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Asia (USSR, India, China, etc), going back a few decades was mostly really
communist.
In a way Israel was Communist
You, as usual, stretch anything to your prejudices and change the topic,
too.
Israel is not in Asia.
You, not I, brought Israel into the picture, and thus you took communist
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc) out of the picture.
Lot of Europe was Communist.
Yeah, by Soviet invasion, too. Not choice.

A good result of that was countries under
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the umbrella of Yugoslavia of which USA was enemy from the beginning
and was successful to bring holocaust there, with bonus of Islamic
Jihadis nurtured by America with Pakistan coming there.
Are you talking about Serb-Bosnia-etc mess?

Everyone has their version to this story. Usually always blame someone
else.
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  Those countries that tax heavily like Sweeden
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are communistic too.
Not at all, just high tax which feeds educational, medical programs.
  It was Bust who dragged you back into rich
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people's country.
?? Who is "Bust"?
Make it Bush.
Bush? puke-barf. I did not vote for Bush.
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that got US support from day one.
I do not have to be in "closet" to have my views.
You do if you never complain about communism.
Bengal or West Bengal that was ruled by Nehru's party began to be
ruled by Communists 30 years after the independence by people voting
for it. I know quite a few Bengalis who had fled WB of Nehru's party
to far away states like Gujarat returned back to a stable state. Poor
people got surplus land to work on it. It is now 33 years and people
there are still with Communist. May be in next election Arindam's
relative's party will throw them out. Indians are used to all kinds of
political, religious diversities. Indian motto is "Only truth
prevails" satymeva jayate ( not putting it into script that will come
out gibberish on your computer) and not the Christian "In God We
Trust".
This is the best you can do to explain Naxalite/Maoist control in eastern
1/4 of India?
You want to remain ignorant. Use Google search on what I wrote.
It's much easier to read some articles I have saved by tearing them out of
my magazine subscriptions and go into a big corrugated cardboard box I
have for this.
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Now that America cannot manipulate South American states they are
electing leaders with socialistc bent of mind.
So, you must be happy with this?
You unhappy that CIA will have trouble eliminating the new crop of
people's leaders there?
Sometimes CIA gets it right, sometimes CIA fails.

Did India's spy agencies stop recent bloodsheds in Mumbai, etc? What 200
killed by radical Muslim terrorists? Train bombings?

We have a big uproar here about our 9/11 WTC attack; blame goes all around
for clues ignored.
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Starting with big free ride to India on silver platter.
Free ride to India of what.
You mean chickenfeed $10 b to US for arms when $ 50 bil goes to India for
cheap IT, $ billions in remitances (free money) from Indians in USA
"stealing" money out of US economy?
Indians are used to live economically.
That is because some things in India are cheap. Nothing is cheap in USA.
Story in India: lots of people steal electricity, live in hovels on land
they do not own or pay rent on. You can't do any of that in the US.

They do not spend on booze or
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expensive holidays. It is their money. They do not tell you where to
use your money. But it hurts you they using their money not according
to your priorities. It is like Christians and Muslims telling others
what God to please.
I do not follow Christians, Muslims, gods, and I do not follow our high
pressure capitalist advertising/marketing propaganda that to be happy I
have to spend money on big plasma TV, etc., gadget lust, and credit card
debt (we have zero debt), all designed to make the rich richer, the poor
poorer. A sad part of darkside capitalism.
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  Surely not free ride to Indians any where
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to India paid by USD.
And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?

I can tell you more about inventions of value coming out of Russia, eg.
surgical stapler. When the USSR collapsed, then there was technology
transfer out of USSR because USSR did not exist anymore. There is a book
on this I read 15 years ago. Yes, that was some free ride to the west.
Before that, USSR did not recognize US patents so they just made
electronics after US design. I even have a Soviet electronics parts manual
for transistors and chips. I even saw a lot of this when I went over n
1989 to one of their labs. A great experience.
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Such rides are given here in UK to illegal immigrants of which Indians
are a rarity.
And plenty of illegal Indians more every day in USA?
Spend more on FBI to catch them.
Hah! immigration is not very high on my list of issues. Tell all your
Indian buddies to just come over if they want on any visa and overstay the
visa, and hide from INS. Maybe amnesty will be given and they will be
lucky.
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Impossible without US market.
That market was opened for Indian mangoes by Bush in return for India
opening its market for Harley Davidson Motorbikes.
Small potatoes compared to IT busines which is 40-50% of India's export
service, which cost India almost nothing.
Did american elect Bush because
...because Democrats did come up with a good candidate.
I did not say this right. I meant "Democrats did NOT come up with a good
candidate."
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  Democrats gave away American IT
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Business to India or they elected Obama because Republicans gave away
American IT business to India?
Our prezs wanted expanded business in India as gift to India for becoming
part of world trade, only India played cheat.
Your whining is endless.
Just google on "India lobby" and lose your ignorance.
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Plus all big US IT companies coming into India and hiring at least 95%
Indians to work in India.
Stop them.
They have too much power, too much money.
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Again go up in flames in times square.
Oh, so peaceful Hindu like you wants to expand sati to me? USA?
It will give you permanent relief over your constant belly ache.
Nah, I prefer natural death, eg. cancer, etc.
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  Will need only $3 to buy petrol
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for that.
I need petrol to take wife to grocery store. If I go up in flames, then
she will have to carry in arthritis pain groceries to car without my help.
Take care of her instead of spending time whining here.
Oh, you spend time here because you have no wife?
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And still you are stuck with soc.culture.indian.
Oh, I like soc.culture.indian. Much better nutcases than on
alt.politics.economics. They are mostly superior wackos than Indians here.
Have you argued yet with Rod Speed?
The guy who felt good that Churchill purposely let 3 million die in
1943. Typical Christian.
So, who else let lots of people die? Hitler? Stalin? Ghengis Khan?
Napoleon?

Or are YOU now in endless whine?
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worker. Of course, the jobs would come back to USA so India does not want
that.
There are other 99.99% of Indian who buy and sell through INR.
What? You want all the 120 jobs in USA to go give 240 mil Indians better
jobs, too?
If Americans do not get off their ass and start working jobs will be
taken by outsiders, first of course by Mexicans.
You should know that if labor market expands, then wages go down.

Good for managers and CEO. Bad for underlings.

Whose side are you on?
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Milk, Petrol costs more in India even if you pay it in USAD.
Milk, petrol costs the same to US billionaires as US poor people, who
drink water instead, and have no car because $8/hr jobs here can't support
a car.
Recent election show that American care too hoot for their poor who
got some relief in health care from Obama administration.
Polls I recall showed more like 1/2 and 1/2 happy vs angry about
Obamacare.

Now, story is health corporations want Obamacare more than not.

I don't know, my health plan is just fine.
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Communism came into Afghan, Pakiland, and even India, before those times.
You make no sense.
How come you don't blame communism that got into India, China in late
1940s, well before US/capitalism got into Afghan/Pakistan?
It was not Capitalism tha came to Afghanistan/Pakistan. It was
American military trainers with weapons.
Repeat: communism got into those places before US got int them. Moscow was
prosyletizing and taking over way before Paki became Paki. Etc.
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Don't count CIA unless you count KGB, which was everywhere, also before
late 1940s.
Of course CIA will be reported to be present by American Civil
servants everywhere.
CIA didn't even exist till some 20 years after USSR became USSR.
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http://youtu.be/2aH8kTJ_SZk
Oh, you like youtube?
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Get me something similar on KGB.
Is it important to you? You look it up.

I looked up sati/Thugee because of guys like you who just want make dirt
out of stuff from USA. What about 3,000 years of wars in India? Etc.
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The clip even tells how CIA got 20000 Hungarian killed, also Kurds
were made to die.
Why don't you look up KGB, etc?

How many people did Soviet communism kill? Why don't you ask those
questions?
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whatever god on whatever judgement day.
Some Hindus will reincarnate.
They don't like hallo around their head and wings in their back.
What does halo, wings have to do with reincarnation (only available to
Hindus)?
Call the Gita fellow. He will get you to reincarnate.
Hah! Even in the first paragraphs of Gita he put, and I quoted, it was a
war scene. Peaceful Indians? Peaceful Hindus? In a war scene, written by
Indians, Hindus?
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But, guys like you do not need reincarnation to put yourself on pedestal
and lower USA into toilet.
USA has lowered itself in toilet, starting with Viet Nam.
Did Indian Dalits lower themselves into Indian toilet or were they born
there? Back how many thousands of years?
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You could get another Ph.D. with that.
Even on Hindu websites. Surely for paying some fee. Another idea from
"Christian western business:" how to make money for Hinduism.
Where is your "thank you" for that, too?
You want me to thank whom for Maharaj making money?
Go and google on "India + conversion + hindu/christian" etc.

I did it 1-2 years ago. Lots of Indian websites offered conversion on red
carpet to go either way. I'm sure for fee.

Its funny in the Chaterjee book on Ancient Warfare in India, the Brahmins
were not the kings, it was Kshatriyas, and Chaterjee said the Brahmins had
to do "hard sell" to Kshatria kings that only Brahmins were expert in
spiritual things, so let Brahmins be top guys. Very funny, typical
snowjobs existed thousands of years ago.
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  It is those people who are on pedestal who like you
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think that they are gift to this earth.
I read Indians like you on pedestal constantly lowering USA into toilet
based on lies.
If you put any one on pedestal it is your problem.
I thought it was you who claimed such peaceful Hindus all over?
They do not want to harvest souls. Of course they will be happy to
take money from western fools who to them asking them to get them
reincarnated as donkey or dog after they die.
Yeah, we have a better more credible scam in California: pay to have your
body frozen then wait X years till medical advance can offer cure to
incurable disease plus longer life. Some rich guys fell for it. Then the
cryogenics broke down, and the bodies all rotted and stank.
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Christians have always
had funny ideas like rich Egyptians 3000 years back.
You better talk nice to me in case you reincarnate into me and I then have
to suffer your abuse.
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I simply enumerate the wrong steps USA has taken that has hurt the
worold, itself and more importantly to me India.
And, conveniently forgot to look for any good things the USA has done?
See, you have only negative attitude.
OK, I will "thank" India for cheap labor, just to show you I am not 100%
negative anti-Indian.
In my memory only Clinton acted as a decent human being asking
Pakistan to get off Kargil before he can speak to India not to go
further inside Pakistan.
Thank you for infinitesimal thank you to USA for infinitesimal thing.

Also, thank you for better "entertainment" than jDoc.

I would not have read some 5-6 books on India if it were not for all the
"100%-piss-on-USA" from Indians, here.

P.S. Sorry for racism in U.K. towards you (seriously).
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If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Nothing to ask. He has stated it as true patriotic American.
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries"
I would have to ask him to explain his motivation for saying that
My guess is that he wanted to counter the clamour of him being called
anti-American.
Just as him posting rediff piece is to counter him getting totally
identified as Jay Stevens.
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as well
as saying all his anti-American posts.
After all, he has said/done/posted lots of contradictions, too.
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on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
First of all, what is patriotic? What is nationalist?
I say patriotism is: "I'll do anything for my country, whether it is good
or bad"
I say nationalism is: "my country is the best, greatest, superior to any
other country, and we should be running the world under our system
[imperialism]."
I think we can argue infinitely about whether US actions are net good or
net bad. All depends on who you talk to.
Maharaj, with his pro-India-anti-US content, ...I just can't connect him
to the word: patriotic [to the USA]. I can bitch about bad things in the
USA, too, but I can also list good things, too. I can talk about bad
things the USA did outside, but I think I can list good things, too.
You can tweak any way you want.
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You can take me out of the "We" in the four words you wrote.
You dropping out is not going to change white Christians of America in
their belief that they will harvest largest number os souls on the
earth.
You can go to christian newsgroups and tell them that.
I am not out here to get in fights.
You have been in fights for a long time, already, with many people.
I do not seek it out.
peaceful coexistence, no?
It has to be.
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Asia (USSR, India, China, etc), going back a few decades was mostly really
communist.
In a way Israel was Communist
You, as usual, stretch anything to your prejudices and change the topic,
too.
Israel is not in Asia.
You, not I, brought Israel into the picture, and thus you took communist
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc) out of the picture.
Lot of Europe was Communist.
Yeah, by Soviet invasion, too. Not choice.
  A good result of that was countries under
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the umbrella of Yugoslavia of which USA was enemy from the beginning
and was successful to bring holocaust there, with bonus of Islamic
Jihadis nurtured by America with Pakistan coming there.
Are you talking about Serb-Bosnia-etc mess?
Everyone has their version to this story. Usually always blame someone
else.
Yugoslavia was very stable country.
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  Those countries that tax heavily like Sweeden
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are communistic too.
Not at all, just high tax which feeds educational, medical programs.
  It was Bust who dragged you back into rich
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people's country.
?? Who is "Bust"?
Make it Bush.
Bush? puke-barf. I did not vote for Bush.
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that got US support from day one.
I do not have to be in "closet" to have my views.
You do if you never complain about communism.
Bengal or West Bengal that was ruled by Nehru's party began to be
ruled by Communists 30 years after the independence by people voting
for it. I know quite a few Bengalis who had fled WB of Nehru's party
to far away states like Gujarat returned back to a stable state. Poor
people got surplus land to work on it. It is now 33 years and people
there are still with Communist. May be in next election Arindam's
relative's party will throw them out. Indians are used to all kinds of
political, religious diversities. Indian motto is "Only truth
prevails" satymeva jayate ( not putting it into script that will come
out gibberish on your computer) and not the Christian "In God We
Trust".
This is the best you can do to explain Naxalite/Maoist control in eastern
1/4 of India?
You want to remain ignorant. Use Google search on what I wrote.
It's much easier to read some articles I have saved by tearing them out of
my magazine subscriptions and go into a big corrugated cardboard box I
have for this.
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Now that America cannot manipulate South American states they are
electing leaders with socialistc bent of mind.
So, you must be happy with this?
You unhappy that CIA will have trouble eliminating the new crop of
people's leaders there?
Sometimes CIA gets it right, sometimes CIA fails.
Did India's spy agencies stop recent bloodsheds in Mumbai, etc? What 200
killed by radical Muslim terrorists? Train bombings?
We have a big uproar here about our 9/11 WTC attack; blame goes all around
for clues ignored.
And they were trained within USA unlike Talibans trained in Pakistan.
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Starting with big free ride to India on silver platter.
Free ride to India of what.
You mean chickenfeed $10 b to US for arms when $ 50 bil goes to India for
cheap IT, $ billions in remitances (free money) from Indians in USA
"stealing" money out of US economy?
Indians are used to live economically.
That is because some things in India are cheap. Nothing is cheap in USA.
Story in India: lots of people steal electricity, live in hovels on land
they do not own or pay rent on. You can't do any of that in the US.
  They do not spend on booze or
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expensive holidays. It is their money. They do not tell you where to
use your money. But it hurts you they using their money not according
to your priorities. It is like Christians and Muslims telling others
what God to please.
I do not follow Christians, Muslims, gods, and I do not follow our high
pressure capitalist advertising/marketing propaganda that to be happy I
have to spend money on big plasma TV, etc., gadget lust, and credit card
debt (we have zero debt), all designed to make the rich richer, the poor
poorer. A sad part of darkside capitalism.
What dark side of Capitalism does Indian cheap labour feed and which
the Chinese?

[Have to go for the Baker, they will be shut tomorrow]
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2010-11-27 14:10:39 UTC
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If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Nothing to ask. He has stated it as true patriotic American.
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries"
I would have to ask him to explain his motivation for saying that
My guess is that he wanted to counter the clamour of him being called
anti-American.
It is a rare statement he makes compared to all the majority of
anti-American things he pushes, and I dislike the majority of what he
says.
Post by DMJoshi
Just as him posting rediff piece is to counter him getting totally
identified as Jay Stevens.
I'd like to find Jay Stevens if he really is a separate person, but a
google search on that name gives large number of hits, unlikely to easily
find unless some guys here have real, valid references.

So, until decisive information, he is "JM aka JS" to me.
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on usenet.
Would you call an American writing it a patriotic American or not?
First of all, what is patriotic? What is nationalist?
I say patriotism is: "I'll do anything for my country, whether it is good
or bad"
I say nationalism is: "my country is the best, greatest, superior to any
other country, and we should be running the world under our system
[imperialism]."
I think we can argue infinitely about whether US actions are net good or
net bad. All depends on who you talk to.
Maharaj, with his pro-India-anti-US content, ...I just can't connect him
to the word: patriotic [to the USA]. I can bitch about bad things in the
USA, too, but I can also list good things, too. I can talk about bad
things the USA did outside, but I think I can list good things, too.
You can tweak any way you want.
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You can take me out of the "We" in the four words you wrote.
You dropping out is not going to change white Christians of America in
their belief that they will harvest largest number os souls on the
earth.
You can go to christian newsgroups and tell them that.
I am not out here to get in fights.
You have been in fights for a long time, already, with many people.
I do not seek it out.
peaceful coexistence, no?
It has to be.
Thank you.
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You, not I, brought Israel into the picture, and thus you took communist
Asia (USSR, India, China, etc) out of the picture.
Lot of Europe was Communist.
Yeah, by Soviet invasion, too. Not choice.
  A good result of that was countries under
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the umbrella of Yugoslavia of which USA was enemy from the beginning
and was successful to bring holocaust there, with bonus of Islamic
Jihadis nurtured by America with Pakistan coming there.
Are you talking about Serb-Bosnia-etc mess?
Everyone has their version to this story. Usually always blame someone
else.
Yugoslavia was very stable country.
Why not, it was part of totallitarian USSR as USSR-imperialised East
Europe, and inside the Iron Curtain, if you remember that.

Once USSR fell apart, there was a lot of squabbles among most of those
states. At least half mega-pissed on Russia/Moscow, and wrecked their own
economies, too.
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killed by radical Muslim terrorists? Train bombings?
We have a big uproar here about our 9/11 WTC attack; blame goes all around
for clues ignored.
And they were trained within USA unlike Talibans trained in Pakistan.
Fine. And some of these guys sent here by Afghan/Paki/etc al-queda are
also getting caught, too. Taliban is also selling opium to US market (just
like everyone else) to get money for arms. What to do?
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to your priorities. It is like Christians and Muslims telling others
what God to please.
I do not follow Christians, Muslims, gods, and I do not follow our high
pressure capitalist advertising/marketing propaganda that to be happy I
have to spend money on big plasma TV, etc., gadget lust, and credit card
debt (we have zero debt), all designed to make the rich richer, the poor
poorer. A sad part of darkside capitalism.
What dark side of Capitalism does Indian cheap labour feed and which
the Chinese?
Takes tons of jobs out of USA and takes industries out of USA, have you
forgotten?
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[Have to go for the Baker, they will be shut tomorrow]
Good luck there, too.
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2010-11-27 16:30:40 UTC
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If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Nothing to ask. He has stated it as true patriotic American.
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries"
I would have to ask him to explain his motivation for saying that
My guess is that he wanted to counter the clamour of him being called
anti-American.
It is a rare statement he makes compared to all the majority of
anti-American things he pushes, and I dislike the majority of what he
says.
Post by DMJoshi
Just as him posting rediff piece is to counter him getting totally
identified as Jay Stevens.
I'd like to find Jay Stevens if he really is a separate person, but a
google search on that name gives large number of hits, unlikely to easily
find unless some guys here have real, valid references.
So, until decisive information, he is "JM aka JS" to me.
OK
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peaceful coexistence, no?
It has to be.
Thank you.
No need.
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  A good result of that was countries under
the umbrella of Yugoslavia of which USA was enemy from the beginning
and was successful to bring holocaust there, with bonus of Islamic
Jihadis nurtured by America with Pakistan coming there.
Are you talking about Serb-Bosnia-etc mess?
Everyone has their version to this story. Usually always blame someone
else.
Yugoslavia was very stable country.
Why not, it was part of totallitarian USSR as USSR-imperialised East
Europe, and inside the Iron Curtain, if you remember that.
It was not USSR.
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Once USSR fell apart, there was a lot of squabbles among most of those
states. At least half mega-pissed on Russia/Moscow, and wrecked their own
economies, too.
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Post by Art Sowers
We have a big uproar here about our 9/11 WTC attack; blame goes all around
for clues ignored.
And they were trained within USA unlike Talibans trained in Pakistan.
Fine. And some of these guys sent here by Afghan/Paki/etc al-queda are
also getting caught, too. Taliban is also selling opium to US market (just
like everyone else) to get money for arms. What to do?
Instead of asking Russia now (and in some cases Russia agreeing) for
help, US could have done that 35 years back and saved US economy from
getting bled.
Post by Art Sowers
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to your priorities. It is like Christians and Muslims telling others
what God to please.
I do not follow Christians, Muslims, gods, and I do not follow our high
pressure capitalist advertising/marketing propaganda that to be happy I
have to spend money on big plasma TV, etc., gadget lust, and credit card
debt (we have zero debt), all designed to make the rich richer, the poor
poorer. A sad part of darkside capitalism.
What dark side of Capitalism does Indian cheap labour feed and which
the Chinese?
Takes tons of jobs out of USA and takes industries out of USA, have you
forgotten?
So if Capitalism is getting fed why whine?
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[Have to go for the Baker, they will be shut tomorrow]
Good luck there, too.
Got the supply.
Art Sowers
2010-11-27 20:16:50 UTC
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If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Nothing to ask. He has stated it as true patriotic American.
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries"
I would have to ask him to explain his motivation for saying that
My guess is that he wanted to counter the clamour of him being called
anti-American.
It is a rare statement he makes compared to all the majority of
anti-American things he pushes, and I dislike the majority of what he
says.
Post by DMJoshi
Just as him posting rediff piece is to counter him getting totally
identified as Jay Stevens.
I'd like to find Jay Stevens if he really is a separate person, but a
google search on that name gives large number of hits, unlikely to easily
find unless some guys here have real, valid references.
So, until decisive information, he is "JM aka JS" to me.
OK
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peaceful coexistence, no?
It has to be.
Thank you.
No need.
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  A good result of that was countries under
the umbrella of Yugoslavia of which USA was enemy from the beginning
and was successful to bring holocaust there, with bonus of Islamic
Jihadis nurtured by America with Pakistan coming there.
Are you talking about Serb-Bosnia-etc mess?
Everyone has their version to this story. Usually always blame someone
else.
Yugoslavia was very stable country.
Why not, it was part of totallitarian USSR as USSR-imperialised East
Europe, and inside the Iron Curtain, if you remember that.
It was not USSR.
USSR controled all of East Europe. EE was in USSR sphere of control.
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Once USSR fell apart, there was a lot of squabbles among most of those
states. At least half mega-pissed on Russia/Moscow, and wrecked their own
economies, too.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
We have a big uproar here about our 9/11 WTC attack; blame goes all around
for clues ignored.
And they were trained within USA unlike Talibans trained in Pakistan.
Fine. And some of these guys sent here by Afghan/Paki/etc al-queda are
also getting caught, too. Taliban is also selling opium to US market (just
like everyone else) to get money for arms. What to do?
Instead of asking Russia now (and in some cases Russia agreeing) for
help, US could have done that 35 years back and saved US economy from
getting bled.
We still have a very belligerant right wing that can't understand that
residual infinitesimal communism in Russia is less of a threat from Russia
as fake communism inside totallitarian China today.
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to your priorities. It is like Christians and Muslims telling others
what God to please.
I do not follow Christians, Muslims, gods, and I do not follow our high
pressure capitalist advertising/marketing propaganda that to be happy I
have to spend money on big plasma TV, etc., gadget lust, and credit card
debt (we have zero debt), all designed to make the rich richer, the poor
poorer. A sad part of darkside capitalism.
What dark side of Capitalism does Indian cheap labour feed and which
the Chinese?
Takes tons of jobs out of USA and takes industries out of USA, have you
forgotten?
So if Capitalism is getting fed why whine?
You mean rich capitalists getting overfed are satisfied with overfed
selves? And we don't need to worry about powerless-broke poor?
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[Have to go for the Baker, they will be shut tomorrow]
Good luck there, too.
Got the supply.
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2010-11-27 20:22:19 UTC
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If it helps him in business he will play the game but doubt very much
if he will stand for the system that USA supported on one hand to
bleed that system on another hand, the syatem that is a threat to
Christian "In God We Trust".
OK, if you think he is "God-fearing Christian", OK, fine.
To the extent he feels pride in America killed people to save them
from communism
Why don't you ask him, not me.
Nothing to ask. He has stated it as true patriotic American.
Where did he say anything patriotic to America? I only saw anti-American
posts, pro-Hindu-pro-India posts.
Search for "The world owes the U.S. immense gratitude for the fight
against communism, Islamic-Muslim terrorism and many other undesirable
conditions that have plagued so many countries"
I would have to ask him to explain his motivation for saying that
My guess is that he wanted to counter the clamour of him being called
anti-American.
It is a rare statement he makes compared to all the majority of
anti-American things he pushes, and I dislike the majority of what he
says.
Post by DMJoshi
Just as him posting rediff piece is to counter him getting totally
identified as Jay Stevens.
I'd like to find Jay Stevens if he really is a separate person, but a
google search on that name gives large number of hits, unlikely to easily
find unless some guys here have real, valid references.
So, until decisive information, he is "JM aka JS" to me.
OK
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peaceful coexistence, no?
It has to be.
Thank you.
No need.
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  A good result of that was countries under
the umbrella of Yugoslavia of which USA was enemy from the beginning
and was successful to bring holocaust there, with bonus of Islamic
Jihadis nurtured by America with Pakistan coming there.
Are you talking about Serb-Bosnia-etc mess?
Everyone has their version to this story. Usually always blame someone
else.
Yugoslavia was very stable country.
Why not, it was part of totallitarian USSR as USSR-imperialised East
Europe, and inside the Iron Curtain, if you remember that.
It was not USSR.
USSR controled all of East Europe. EE was in USSR sphere of control.
They did not have to kill any body to keep Yugoslavia under its sphere
of Influence, not sphere of control, like US had to do in many places
like Chile, Iran and Iraq to name a few.
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Once USSR fell apart, there was a lot of squabbles among most of those
states. At least half mega-pissed on Russia/Moscow, and wrecked their own
economies, too.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
We have a big uproar here about our 9/11 WTC attack; blame goes all around
for clues ignored.
And they were trained within USA unlike Talibans trained in Pakistan.
Fine. And some of these guys sent here by Afghan/Paki/etc al-queda are
also getting caught, too. Taliban is also selling opium to US market (just
like everyone else) to get money for arms. What to do?
Instead of asking Russia now (and in some cases Russia agreeing) for
help, US could have done that 35 years back and saved US economy from
getting bled.
We still have a very belligerant right wing that can't understand that
residual infinitesimal communism in Russia is less of a threat from Russia
as fake communism inside totallitarian China today.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
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to your priorities. It is like Christians and Muslims telling others
what God to please.
I do not follow Christians, Muslims, gods, and I do not follow our high
pressure capitalist advertising/marketing propaganda that to be happy I
have to spend money on big plasma TV, etc., gadget lust, and credit card
debt (we have zero debt), all designed to make the rich richer, the poor
poorer. A sad part of darkside capitalism.
What dark side of Capitalism does Indian cheap labour feed and which
the Chinese?
Takes tons of jobs out of USA and takes industries out of USA, have you
forgotten?
So if Capitalism is getting fed why whine?
You mean rich capitalists getting overfed are satisfied with overfed
selves? And we don't need to worry about powerless-broke poor?
As long as it proves against communism, except where US let itself
taken to ride.
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
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I can tell you more about inventions of value coming out of Russia, eg.
surgical stapler. When the USSR collapsed, then there was technology
transfer out of USSR because USSR did not exist anymore. There is a book
on this I read 15 years ago. Yes, that was some free ride to the west.
Before that, USSR did not recognize US patents so they just made
electronics after US design. I even have a Soviet electronics parts manual
for transistors and chips. I even saw a lot of this when I went over n
1989 to one of their labs. A great experience.
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Such rides are given here in UK to illegal immigrants of which Indians
are a rarity.
And plenty of illegal Indians more every day in USA?
Spend more on FBI to catch them.
Hah! immigration is not very high on my list of issues. Tell all your
Indian buddies to just come over if they want on any visa and overstay the
visa, and hide from INS. Maybe amnesty will be given and they will be
lucky.
Only H-1B ?
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Impossible without US market.
That market was opened for Indian mangoes by Bush in return for India
opening its market for Harley Davidson Motorbikes.
Small potatoes compared to IT busines which is 40-50% of India's export
service, which cost India almost nothing.
Did american elect Bush because
...because Democrats did come up with a good candidate.
I did not say this right. I meant "Democrats did NOT come up with a good
candidate."
In 1980 Al Gore frowned upon Clinton getting sex that Hilary was not
giving him, did that Americans considered snobbish?
In 2004 American proved to be happy with slaughter in Iraq.
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  Democrats gave away American IT
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Business to India or they elected Obama because Republicans gave away
American IT business to India?
Our prezs wanted expanded business in India as gift to India for becoming
part of world trade, only India played cheat.
Your whining is endless.
Just google on "India lobby" and lose your ignorance.
You think $50m Tata gave to Harvard is part of that Lobbying?
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Plus all big US IT companies coming into India and hiring at least 95%
Indians to work in India.
Stop them.
They have too much power, too much money.
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Again go up in flames in times square.
Oh, so peaceful Hindu like you wants to expand sati to me? USA?
It will give you permanent relief over your constant belly ache.
Nah, I prefer natural death, eg. cancer, etc.
Cancer is on the top of your list? Will go for Radiotherapy or prefer
easier death?
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  Will need only $3 to buy petrol
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for that.
I need petrol to take wife to grocery store. If I go up in flames, then
she will have to carry in arthritis pain groceries to car without my help.
Take care of her instead of spending time whining here.
Oh, you spend time here because you have no wife?
I have to sit before computer for any time SOS from India.
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And still you are stuck with soc.culture.indian.
Oh, I like soc.culture.indian. Much better nutcases than on
alt.politics.economics. They are mostly superior wackos than Indians here.
Have you argued yet with Rod Speed?
The guy who felt good that Churchill purposely let 3 million die in
1943. Typical Christian.
So, who else let lots of people die? Hitler? Stalin? Ghengis Khan?
Napoleon?
None as callously as Churchill. Not only he was responsible for what
happened in 1943, he could have curbed Jinnah from his thugs starting
killings in 1946, the thugs were from the same region of India that
had the higher English education among Muslims. Jinnah in a way got
tacit approval from Churchill for Direct Action.

http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=52299
of Aug 08, 2005

That is based on recent declassification of documents.

Declassification also exposed 1943 fiendish Churchill.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/10/how_churchill_starved_india.html
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Or are YOU now in endless whine?
To the extant that the progeny of Muslims responsible for partition
consider Churchill as Allah's special gift to this world.
Recently a British young actor learnt that his great...grandfather
burnt villages for sport from the letter that superior Christian had
written to his wife.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00thnbt
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If Americans do not get off their ass and start working jobs will be
taken by outsiders, first of course by Mexicans.
You should know that if labor market expands, then wages go down.
Good for managers and CEO. Bad for underlings.
Whose side are you on?
I am on the side of those who become self sufficient and remove the
yoke of Managers, Ceos, Politicians, Bureaucrats

Had read long back about a Brazilian boy having graduated from some
top Business School going back to Brazil and making the family
business a joint venture with the workers.

Havana feeds itself from fruit and veg its industrious citizen grow in
their back yards.

Strength of Indians lie in making do with little. Often of course
spare gets spent on religiosity which I have actively fought against
since I was a teen ager.
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Milk, Petrol costs more in India even if you pay it in USAD.
Milk, petrol costs the same to US billionaires as US poor people, who
drink water instead, and have no car because $8/hr jobs here can't support
a car.
Recent election show that American care too hoot for their poor who
got some relief in health care from Obama administration.
Polls I recall showed more like 1/2 and 1/2 happy vs angry about
Obamacare.
And I very much doubt that 1/2 could afford easily the old system.
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Now, story is health corporations want Obamacare more than not.
I don't know, my health plan is just fine.
There were demands for roll back and suggestions that Congress will
pass bills to that effect, also will stand firm against any withdrawal
of windfall Bush gave to rich in tax relief.
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It was not Capitalism tha came to Afghanistan/Pakistan. It was
American military trainers with weapons.
Repeat: communism got into those places before US got int them. Moscow was
prosyletizing and taking over way before Paki became Paki. Etc.
Yes there were communists in India before India became India, but they
were every where. Why had Chaplin to move out of USA?
It is McCarthy-ism that got USA killing and burning Vietnam. And it
started there.
Soviets did not train any one to bomb Russia. Even Chechen are an
offshoot of US adventure in Afghanistan and later on in Yugoslavia.
It tried to get even georgians killed just as it got 20000 Hungarian
killed some 50 years back.
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Don't count CIA unless you count KGB, which was everywhere, also before
late 1940s.
Of course CIA will be reported to be present by American Civil
servants everywhere.
CIA didn't even exist till some 20 years after USSR became USSR.
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http://youtu.be/2aH8kTJ_SZk
Oh, you like youtube?
Mostly for likes

Listen to it and then watch it

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Get me something similar on KGB.
Is it important to you? You look it up.
I looked up sati/Thugee because of guys like you who just want make dirt
out of stuff from USA. What about 3,000 years of wars in India? Etc.
Get some Sati and Thugee from You Tube.
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The clip even tells how CIA got 20000 Hungarian killed, also Kurds
were made to die.
Why don't you look up KGB, etc?
Get it on You tube.
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How many people did Soviet communism kill? Why don't you ask those
questions?
Could not be as many as all kinds of (Hitler, Churchill, . . .) did.
Besides it has significantly tamed Islam, which in case of USA drew
upon itself.
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Call the Gita fellow. He will get you to reincarnate.
Hah! Even in the first paragraphs of Gita he put, and I quoted, it was a
war scene. Peaceful Indians? Peaceful Hindus? In a war scene, written by
Indians, Hindus?
Yes all thing is in the context of the epic war (real or myth) of
Kurukhetra. The place is still there in the state of Haryana which
initially was put within Punjab.
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But, guys like you do not need reincarnation to put yourself on pedestal
and lower USA into toilet.
USA has lowered itself in toilet, starting with Viet Nam.
Did Indian Dalits lower themselves into Indian toilet or were they born
there? Back how many thousands of years?
Delhi has brahmin public toilet cleaners. There will be many Dalit
officers for whom brahmin (peons carry files, get grocery for their
wives, tend to their children, cook for them, polish their boots).
Check on Ambedkar. Who looked after him at school. Who was his wife.
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You could get another Ph.D. with that.
Even on Hindu websites. Surely for paying some fee. Another idea from
"Christian western business:" how to make money for Hinduism.
Where is your "thank you" for that, too?
You want me to thank whom for Maharaj making money?
Go and google on "India + conversion + hindu/christian" etc.
I did it 1-2 years ago. Lots of Indian websites offered conversion on red
carpet to go either way. I'm sure for fee.
There has been kind of conversion, P.Rajah mentioned Vivekanand, to
that Aurobindo, Rajneesh can be added. Not by proselytism, actively
perusing the prey, but buy people coming to them and these people are
not integrated in mainstream Hindu society except in communes like
Pondichery or in the West.
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Its funny in the Chaterjee book on Ancient Warfare in India, the Brahmins
were not the kings, it was Kshatriyas, and Chaterjee said the Brahmins had
to do "hard sell" to Kshatria kings that only Brahmins were expert in
spiritual things, so let Brahmins be top guys. Very funny, typical
snowjobs existed thousands of years ago.
So in Ancient Egypt and among Muslims.

But brahmins did became big land lords in Bengal and that was one of
the reason after 1947 that part began to slide down and it was from
their youngsters that Naxal movement started. Largely because of lack
of land reform. Land was not made in the name of those who tilled it
as it was done straight away in Gujarat and that is why Communists
displaced Nehru-Indiara party which that Call Centre guy made you
believe is taking India to one party rule. Hope you looked up the link
I gave you there.
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think that they are gift to this earth.
I read Indians like you on pedestal constantly lowering USA into toilet
based on lies.
If you put any one on pedestal it is your problem.
I thought it was you who claimed such peaceful Hindus all over?
They do not want to harvest souls. Of course they will be happy to
take money from western fools who to them asking them to get them
reincarnated as donkey or dog after they die.
Yeah, we have a better more credible scam in California: pay to have your
body frozen then wait X years till medical advance can offer cure to
incurable disease plus longer life. Some rich guys fell for it. Then the
cryogenics broke down, and the bodies all rotted and stank.
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Christians have always
had funny ideas like rich Egyptians 3000 years back.
You better talk nice to me in case you reincarnate into me and I then have
to suffer your abuse.
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I simply enumerate the wrong steps USA has taken that has hurt the
worold, itself and more importantly to me India.
And, conveniently forgot to look for any good things the USA has done?
See, you have only negative attitude.
OK, I will "thank" India for cheap labor, just to show you I am not 100%
negative anti-Indian.
In my memory only Clinton acted as a decent human being asking
Pakistan to get off Kargil before he can speak to India not to go
further inside Pakistan.
Thank you for infinitesimal thank you to USA for infinitesimal thing.
Also, thank you for better "entertainment" than jDoc.
I would not have read some 5-6 books on India if it were not for all the
"100%-piss-on-USA" from Indians, here.
P.S. Sorry for racism in U.K. towards you (seriously).
Has not touched me, though I had heard bad stories. It is the children
of whites on dole that I better keep out of the way.
Art Sowers
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
Patent hijacking is getting a lot of complaints and its a big deal for
lawyers. I have a book on this whole subject. It is a mess.

Now, besides that example, which was an invention from India, but not
invented by any Indian, how about naming even one important patent from
India compared to patents from the west going back, say, 50 years?

In the other direction, Ranbaxy has applications on file with US FDA for
57 drugs, all invented, developed, tested, marketed in US by US pharma,
all going off patents since a few years ago, and all Ranbaxy needs to do
is make in garage and send to already existing market in US for cheap
prices. Big free ride worth $billions.
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I can tell you more about inventions of value coming out of Russia, eg.
surgical stapler. When the USSR collapsed, then there was technology
transfer out of USSR because USSR did not exist anymore. There is a book
on this I read 15 years ago. Yes, that was some free ride to the west.
Before that, USSR did not recognize US patents so they just made
electronics after US design. I even have a Soviet electronics parts manual
for transistors and chips. I even saw a lot of this when I went over n
1989 to one of their labs. A great experience.
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Such rides are given here in UK to illegal immigrants of which Indians
are a rarity.
And plenty of illegal Indians more every day in USA?
Spend more on FBI to catch them.
Hah! immigration is not very high on my list of issues. Tell all your
Indian buddies to just come over if they want on any visa and overstay the
visa, and hide from INS. Maybe amnesty will be given and they will be
lucky.
Only H-1B ?
L visas have no limit. Tata, etc., can ship over all of its existing
employees in India and nobody can stop him. Then he can hire new
employees, and then ship them over, too. No end, no caps.

Then, pay them less, and then underbid all US-based IT companies and put
the US-based IT companies out of business unless they scream for H1b so
they can be paid less, too. This has already been printed in our media,
many times, over last 5-8 years.

It is only in the last 1-2 years people here are really getting upset with
China's devalued currency. I am sure Obama will not get re-elected without
miracle. Fear: Sarah nutcase Palin gets elected from voter anger instead
of thinking.
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Did american elect Bush because
...because Democrats did come up with a good candidate.
I did not say this right. I meant "Democrats did NOT come up with a good
candidate."
In 1980 Al Gore frowned upon Clinton getting sex that Hilary was not
giving him, did that Americans considered snobbish?
Gore might have gotten elected if Ralph Nader did not run. Nader was
pissed, too, at Gore for being unwilling to meet with Nader over corporate
power in USA and Gore is in bed with Corporations while Clinton was in
shaddows with Lewinsky.
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In 2004 American proved to be happy with slaughter in Iraq.
The idea of WMD was sold to the people only it was a lie and there was
talk of impeachment of Bush, but it never got anywhere because it would
lead to a political crisis (my opinion) and the people here would really
be confused and fed up with out politicians.

I also do not follow either Republican or Democratic lines of thinking
because they are both corrupt.
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Our prezs wanted expanded business in India as gift to India for becoming
part of world trade, only India played cheat.
Your whining is endless.
Just google on "India lobby" and lose your ignorance.
You think $50m Tata gave to Harvard is part of that Lobbying?
You should be asking what is Harvard giving Tata in return! What special
favors not mentioned in the media.

In fact, also, MIT gets lots of money from Japanese companies for sneak
peek at new technology coming out of MIT before patents, and that new
technology (most of it) is funded by taxpayer grants to MIT.

Most of high institutions are getting money and giving some kind of favor.

When I was in graduate school at another school, they had a "Iranian Study
Center" all to make home away from home for Iranian students (sons of
sheiks, etc), nice deals for them, and warm seats in class, and all paid
for by Iran elements.

Go to any campus and see what programs are in the catalogs but the
catalogs will probably not tell you where the money comes from.

Even millionaires who donate big bucks can at least get a building
re-named for them. At most, they will get much more.

But, if you are willing to give big money to any campus with no strings
attached, the campus will gladly make that money disappear into dean's
hobby projects.
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Oh, so peaceful Hindu like you wants to expand sati to me? USA?
It will give you permanent relief over your constant belly ache.
Nah, I prefer natural death, eg. cancer, etc.
Cancer is on the top of your list? Will go for Radiotherapy or prefer
easier death?
I have no preference except for smallest pain. So, flames are out.
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Take care of her instead of spending time whining here.
Oh, you spend time here because you have no wife?
I have to sit before computer for any time SOS from India.
We have one dedicated telephone line here for last call about one
relative, now 95, and falling apart in all ways.
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The guy who felt good that Churchill purposely let 3 million die in
1943. Typical Christian.
So, who else let lots of people die? Hitler? Stalin? Ghengis Khan?
Napoleon?
None as callously as Churchill.
Well, don't blame me for Churchill. I am not him.

Not only he was responsible for what
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happened in 1943, he could have curbed Jinnah from his thugs starting
killings in 1946, the thugs were from the same region of India that
had the higher English education among Muslims. Jinnah in a way got
tacit approval from Churchill for Direct Action.
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=52299
of Aug 08, 2005
That is based on recent declassification of documents.
Fine, Israelis are pissed at lots of people, too.

Even for our WTC, lots of people here are pissed at Muslims/etc.
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Declassification also exposed 1943 fiendish Churchill.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/10/how_churchill_starved_india.html
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Or are YOU now in endless whine?
To the extant that the progeny of Muslims responsible for partition
consider Churchill as Allah's special gift to this world.
Recently a British young actor learnt that his great...grandfather
burnt villages for sport from the letter that superior Christian had
written to his wife.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00thnbt
What do you want me to do about this? Write a letter to Obama?
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If Americans do not get off their ass and start working jobs will be
taken by outsiders, first of course by Mexicans.
You should know that if labor market expands, then wages go down.
Good for managers and CEO. Bad for underlings.
Whose side are you on?
I am on the side of those who become self sufficient and remove the
yoke of Managers, Ceos, Politicians, Bureaucrats
Fine, if I understand you, then I feel the same way.
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Had read long back about a Brazilian boy having graduated from some
top Business School going back to Brazil and making the family
business a joint venture with the workers.
Havana feeds itself from fruit and veg its industrious citizen grow in
their back yards.
Strength of Indians lie in making do with little. Often of course
spare gets spent on religiosity which I have actively fought against
since I was a teen ager.
Fine, I will let anyone chase his dreams as long as those dreams do not
hurt me.
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a car.
Recent election show that American care too hoot for their poor who
got some relief in health care from Obama administration.
Polls I recall showed more like 1/2 and 1/2 happy vs angry about
Obamacare.
And I very much doubt that 1/2 could afford easily the old system.
It all depends on the insurance system. Medicare does not pay for
everything, but it is very cheap. You need another plan to cover more, but
it can cost another $100-200 per month. Best plans are govt sponsored so
you pay almost nothing (in other words, if you worked for govt and
retired from govt job, you are safe from anything).

Beyond that, people with no money can lose their house or anything they
own. So, I would favor something like UK NHS, but all of our darkside
capitalists are greedy-selfish for ripoff of consumers.
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Now, story is health corporations want Obamacare more than not.
I don't know, my health plan is just fine.
There were demands for roll back and suggestions that Congress will
pass bills to that effect, also will stand firm against any withdrawal
of windfall Bush gave to rich in tax relief.
It is a big stink here. All sides want more money, more services, more
free, and nobody wants to give one inch. All whine.
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It was not Capitalism tha came to Afghanistan/Pakistan. It was
American military trainers with weapons.
Repeat: communism got into those places before US got int them. Moscow was
prosyletizing and taking over way before Paki became Paki. Etc.
Yes there were communists in India before India became India, but they
were every where. Why had Chaplin to move out of USA?
It is McCarthy-ism that got USA killing and burning Vietnam. And it
started there.
Not quite. USA became much more anti-Soviet because of cultural conflict
between capitalism and communism. Our right wing never understood that in
Europe the anti-Soviet feelings were not as strong and Europe was already
doing a lot of trade business with Russians, so why would Russians bomb
Western Europe? But, NATO formed as aggressive extension of USA hegemony
and influence to keep out soft aggession by USSR.

The spread of communism in Asia (first China, then India, then others) was
more agressive. Before Viet Nam was Korea, and Nixon bombing Cambodia
(another crazy mess, and there are still messes over there). So, now, what
do we have? Nobody in USA talks about bad communism in China for 20 years
now that we get cheap goods and China gets all of our industries. VN is
still communist. S. Korea is big democratic capitalist success story, like
Japan. Maybe India will get control of its country. Nobody knows if China
will become somehow democratic.
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Soviets did not train any one to bomb Russia. Even Chechen are an
offshoot of US adventure in Afghanistan and later on in Yugoslavia.
Oh, there is a different version of that, too.
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It tried to get even georgians killed just as it got 20000 Hungarian
killed some 50 years back.
You better save some blame for communism, too. Going back to when I was a
kid, we were always taking in one or two kids in my class who escaped from
East Europe & communism, every year. Nobody from India. And, they were
happy to come to the USA (no "piss on USA").

KGB was not nice guys and they played all cards in deck.
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Don't count CIA unless you count KGB, which was everywhere, also before
late 1940s.
Of course CIA will be reported to be present by American Civil
servants everywhere.
CIA didn't even exist till some 20 years after USSR became USSR.
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http://youtu.be/2aH8kTJ_SZk
Oh, you like youtube?
Mostly for likes
http://youtu.be/3HK5A8cofaA
Listen to it and then watch it
http://youtu.be/wlw1HMNy_as
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Get me something similar on KGB.
Is it important to you? You look it up.
I looked up sati/Thugee because of guys like you who just want make dirt
out of stuff from USA. What about 3,000 years of wars in India? Etc.
Get some Sati and Thugee from You Tube.
I like this better...

I can give it to you without effort from you...

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http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm#ThugSutt

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India

Religious practices outlawed under Wm. Bentinck, r.1828-35

Suttee (Sati) (from time immemorial to 1829)
Sakuntala Narasimhan, Sati: widow burning in India
7941 widows burned alive in the Bengal Presidency, 1815-28
According to Rammohun Roy, almost ten times more incidents in
Bengal than elsewhere

ANALYSIS: This indicates that there were some 8735 (=1.1 x 7941) satis
in all of India in 14 years, or around 62,400 in a century. Naturally,
this should be adjusted for population changes, shifting religious
traditions, etc., but it does point to a century total numbered
in the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands or
mere thousands.


Thuggee (Thagi) (13th C. to ca. 1838)
13 Oct. 2001 Toronto Star: 1M people strangled. (Points out that some
modern scholars doubt the full, legendary extent of the cult, perhaps
even its existence. This debate has quashed the publication of a new
book, The Wayfarers: Human Sacrifice Throughout Time And Around The
World by Daniel Wood, which is too bad because you can never have too
many children's books about human sacrifice.)

6 Jan. 2001 Birmingham Post: Worst known serial killer in history was
Indian Thug Behram, who strangled at least 931 victims in the Uttar
Pradesh district of India 1790-1840
Kevin Rushby (Children of Kali: Through India in Search of Bandits,
the Thug Cult and the British Raj (2002)) considers the Thugs a myth.
14 May 2005 Daily Telegraph (London) review of Thug: the True Story of
India's Murderous Cult by Mike Dash: "James [Sleeman] calculated that
Thugs had killed 50,000 people a year for up to 700 years, [but] Dash
arrives at a more reasonable figure of perhaps 50,000 victims in total."

Michael Newton, Holy Homicide (1998)
British authorities est. 40,000 Thug-related homicides in 1812 alone.
4,500 Thugs convicted, and 110 executed, 1830-48
George Bruce, The Stranglers: The cult of Thuggee and its overthrow in
British India (1968)
40,000 travellers died in India in 1812, "as indeed they had done every
year that records had been kept."

Estimated 4-5,000 Thugs in India, early 19thC
Individual tallies
Thug Rumzam: 604 killings in 21 years
He led gangs of 30-40, and saw 80-90 murders/year
Thug Buhram: 931 killings in 40 years
One gang of 125 in 3 months of 1831 murdered 108 victims.
Another gang of 60 in 8 months of 1831 murdered 201 victims.
unnamed gang of 50 members in Jubbulpore Dist.
Thug Feringeea spent some time with one gang of 100, another gang of 150.

In one grove, randomly selected as a campsite by Capt. Sleeman, the
Brits found 17 bodies from 3 different attacks.
Not-quite-scholarly sources:
Movie reviews for The Deceivers
3 Oct. 1988 Toronto Star: 2M murders
2 Sept. 1988 Bergen Record: 2M
Wm Saffire, "On Language", NYT 23 May 1999: œM+

ANALYSIS
The simplest way of estimating total Thug killings is to multiply the only
fairly complete, well-documented number (40,000/yr in 1812) by the 600
years of activity = 24 million, which leaves most people shaking their
heads in disbelief. Twenty-four million based on a single statistic?
That can't be right, can it?

So, then, most people drop the idea of attaching a number, and just declare
that the Thugs killed "millions". Later estimates then translate "millions"
conservatively: "over a million", "two million or more", like that.

Another approach would be to take Bruce's estimate that, on average, each
Thug went on ten hunting expeditions during his lifetime and participated
in ten attacks on each expedition. That makes an average of 100 murders per
Thug. The approximately 4,500 Thugs at work in the early 19th C. would then
be responsible for 450,000 murders all told. With each generation of Thugs
having a productive life of about 33 years (ages 17-50), that means that
each century would see 3 generations (1,350,000 murders/century). In 600
years, that would come to 8.1 million.

An even more complicated calculation would be to figure the average
number of killings per year per Thug

Well, we only have 2 specific lifetime totals -- Rumzam @ ca. 30/yr and
Behram @ ca. 20/yr -- and these are the extrordinary cases.
Of the three gangs whose statistics are given
201/60/0.67=5 murders per year per Thug
108/125/0.25=3.5 murders per year per Thug
Rumzam's gang: 2-3 murders per year per Thug
@ 2 to 5 murders per-year-per-Thug and 4-5,000 Thugs, we get 0.8M to 2.5M
killings per century. Picking the mid-factors (3.5 x 4500) we get 1,575,000
in a century, or 9.45M in 600 years.
Or, instead, we could approach this from a per-gang average ...
The mean size of the gangs listed (or implied) here is about 80.
Average number of gangs at work: 4500 Thugs divided into gangs of 80 = 55
gangs ±

The mean number of murders per gang per year is about 275. That comes
to 15,125 Thug murders per year, or 9,075,000 in six centuries.
CONCLUSIONS

My various calculations come to 24.0M or 9.5M or 9.1M or 8.1M Thug murders
in 600 years, so nine million is a possibilty. But then so is Dash's 50,000,
so who knows?

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Call the Gita fellow. He will get you to reincarnate.
Hah! Even in the first paragraphs of Gita he put, and I quoted, it was a
war scene. Peaceful Indians? Peaceful Hindus? In a war scene, written by
Indians, Hindus?
Yes all thing is in the context of the epic war (real or myth) of
Kurukhetra. The place is still there in the state of Haryana which
initially was put within Punjab.
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But, guys like you do not need reincarnation to put yourself on pedestal
and lower USA into toilet.
USA has lowered itself in toilet, starting with Viet Nam.
Did Indian Dalits lower themselves into Indian toilet or were they born
there? Back how many thousands of years?
Delhi has brahmin public toilet cleaners. There will be many Dalit
officers for whom brahmin (peons carry files, get grocery for their
wives, tend to their children, cook for them, polish their boots).
Check on Ambedkar. Who looked after him at school. Who was his wife.
Fine, I have other things to do today.
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You could get another Ph.D. with that.
Even on Hindu websites. Surely for paying some fee. Another idea from
"Christian western business:" how to make money for Hinduism.
Where is your "thank you" for that, too?
You want me to thank whom for Maharaj making money?
Go and google on "India + conversion + hindu/christian" etc.
I did it 1-2 years ago. Lots of Indian websites offered conversion on red
carpet to go either way. I'm sure for fee.
There has been kind of conversion, P.Rajah mentioned Vivekanand, to
that Aurobindo, Rajneesh can be added. Not by proselytism, actively
perusing the prey, but buy people coming to them and these people are
not integrated in mainstream Hindu society except in communes like
Pondichery or in the West.
Fine.
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Its funny in the Chaterjee book on Ancient Warfare in India, the Brahmins
were not the kings, it was Kshatriyas, and Chaterjee said the Brahmins had
to do "hard sell" to Kshatria kings that only Brahmins were expert in
spiritual things, so let Brahmins be top guys. Very funny, typical
snowjobs existed thousands of years ago.
So in Ancient Egypt and among Muslims.
But brahmins did became big land lords in Bengal and that was one of
the reason after 1947 that part began to slide down and it was from
their youngsters that Naxal movement started. Largely because of lack
of land reform. Land was not made in the name of those who tilled it
as it was done straight away in Gujarat and that is why Communists
displaced Nehru-Indiara party which that Call Centre guy made you
believe is taking India to one party rule.
He said some things later....I lost interest for reasons.

Hope you looked up the link
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I gave you there.
Land ownership was a big deal in both Asia and Europe, in the past, and
land reform has never been completed in 3rd world countries. I have a big
book on this history in many parts of the world and want to spend time on
this.
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See, you have only negative attitude.
OK, I will "thank" India for cheap labor, just to show you I am not 100%
negative anti-Indian.
In my memory only Clinton acted as a decent human being asking
Pakistan to get off Kargil before he can speak to India not to go
further inside Pakistan.
Thank you for infinitesimal thank you to USA for infinitesimal thing.
Also, thank you for better "entertainment" than jDoc.
I would not have read some 5-6 books on India if it were not for all the
"100%-piss-on-USA" from Indians, here.
P.S. Sorry for racism in U.K. towards you (seriously).
Has not touched me, though I had heard bad stories. It is the children
of whites on dole that I better keep out of the way.
Maybe they are on dole because you guys replaced their parents in jobs
they had, and are justifiably mad at you.

Did you ever think of that? Or are invader Indians trying to make Dalit
population in UK out of native whites in UK?
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
Patent hijacking is getting a lot of complaints and its a big deal for
lawyers. I have a book on this whole subject. It is a mess.
Now, besides that example, which was an invention from India, but not
invented by any Indian, how about naming even one important patent from
India compared to patents from the west going back, say, 50 years?
In the other direction, Ranbaxy has applications on file with US FDA for
57 drugs, all invented, developed, tested, marketed in US by US pharma,
all going off patents since a few years ago, and all Ranbaxy needs to do
is make in garage and send to already existing market in US for cheap
prices. Big free ride worth $billions.
I have no expertise in that area. But surely if Indian Pharmaceutical
Industry was doing anything illegal there is are courts to approach.
If any country feels it is getting fucked by entering into global
market it is free to build wall around it.
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And plenty of illegal Indians more every day in USA?
Spend more on FBI to catch them.
Hah! immigration is not very high on my list of issues. Tell all your
Indian buddies to just come over if they want on any visa and overstay the
visa, and hide from INS. Maybe amnesty will be given and they will be
lucky.
Only H-1B ?
L visas have no limit. Tata, etc., can ship over all of its existing
employees in India and nobody can stop him. Then he can hire new
employees, and then ship them over, too. No end, no caps.
Tata has taken over a major British auto Company. Have not heard of
any Indians working in there except perhaps a few at managerial level.
After all it wants its investment to grow.
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Then, pay them less, and then underbid all US-based IT companies and put
the US-based IT companies out of business unless they scream for H1b so
they can be paid less, too. This has already been printed in our media,
many times, over last 5-8 years.
It is only in the last 1-2 years people here are really getting upset with
China's devalued currency. I am sure Obama will not get re-elected without
miracle. Fear: Sarah nutcase Palin gets elected from voter anger instead
of thinking.
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Did american elect Bush because
...because Democrats did come up with a good candidate.
I did not say this right. I meant "Democrats did NOT come up with a good
candidate."
In 1980 Al Gore frowned upon Clinton getting sex that Hilary was not
giving him, did that Americans considered snobbish?
Gore might have gotten elected if Ralph Nader did not run. Nader was
pissed, too, at Gore for being unwilling to meet with Nader over corporate
power in USA and Gore is in bed with Corporations while Clinton was in
shaddows with Lewinsky.
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In 2004 American proved to be happy with slaughter in Iraq.
The idea of WMD was sold to the people only it was a lie and there was
talk of impeachment of Bush, but it never got anywhere because it would
lead to a political crisis (my opinion) and the people here would really
be confused and fed up with out politicians.
looks with shoeter experience Indian voter is better in dealing with
its politicians.
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I also do not follow either Republican or Democratic lines of thinking
because they are both corrupt.
Voting public anywhere will have to keep knocking.
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Our prezs wanted expanded business in India as gift to India for becoming
part of world trade, only India played cheat.
Your whining is endless.
Just google on "India lobby" and lose your ignorance.
You think $50m Tata gave to Harvard is part of that Lobbying?
You should be asking what is Harvard giving Tata in return! What special
favors not mentioned in the media.
In fact, also, MIT gets lots of money from Japanese companies for sneak
peek at new technology coming out of MIT before patents, and that new
technology (most of it) is funded by taxpayer grants to MIT.
So why not stop foreign donations to Harvard, MIT, etc. Spend a bit
more. regulate them. Build a wall around USA.
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Most of high institutions are getting money and giving some kind of favor.
When I was in graduate school at another school, they had a "Iranian Study
Center" all to make home away from home for Iranian students (sons of
sheiks, etc), nice deals for them, and warm seats in class, and all paid
for by Iran elements.
Iran does not have Sheikhs. Some rich guys would not have been there
if CIA did not interfere with Iranian democracy in 1953 Iran would
have become more egalitarian today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
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Go to any campus and see what programs are in the catalogs but the
catalogs will probably not tell you where the money comes from.
Even millionaires who donate big bucks can at least get a building
re-named for them. At most, they will get much more.
But, if you are willing to give big money to any campus with no strings
attached, the campus will gladly make that money disappear into dean's
hobby projects.
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Oh, so peaceful Hindu like you wants to expand sati to me? USA?
It will give you permanent relief over your constant belly ache.
Nah, I prefer natural death, eg. cancer, etc.
Cancer is on the top of your list? Will go for Radiotherapy or prefer
easier death?
I have no preference except for smallest pain. So, flames are out.
Cancer pains can really be quite terrible.
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Take care of her instead of spending time whining here.
Oh, you spend time here because you have no wife?
I have to sit before computer for any time SOS from India.
We have one dedicated telephone line here for last call about one
relative, now 95, and falling apart in all ways.
Sorry to know that.
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The guy who felt good that Churchill purposely let 3 million die in
1943. Typical Christian.
So, who else let lots of people die? Hitler? Stalin? Ghengis Khan?
Napoleon?
None as callously as Churchill.
Well, don't blame me for Churchill. I am not him.
 > Not only he was responsible for what
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happened in 1943, he could have curbed Jinnah from his thugs starting
killings in 1946, the thugs were from the same region of India that
had the higher English education among Muslims. Jinnah in a way got
tacit approval from Churchill for Direct Action.
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=52299
of  Aug 08, 2005
That is based on recent declassification of documents.
Fine, Israelis are pissed at lots of people, too.
Even for our WTC, lots of people here are pissed at Muslims/etc.
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Declassification also exposed 1943 fiendish Churchill.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2010/10/how_chur...
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Or are YOU now in endless whine?
To the extant that the progeny of Muslims responsible for partition
consider Churchill as Allah's special gift to this world.
Recently a British young actor learnt that his great...grandfather
burnt villages for sport from the letter that superior Christian had
written to his wife.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00thnbt
What do you want me to do about this? Write a letter to Obama?
I did write to Cameron when he was candidate for Tory leadership 5
years back. It was soon after Jinnah-Churchill collusion came to
light. Did get no reply. Only got on his mailing list which his office
is exploiting to spam me.
Cameron though did talk tough while in India against Pakistan unlike
Obama.
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If Americans do not get off their ass and start working jobs will be
taken by outsiders, first of course by Mexicans.
You should know that if labor market expands, then wages go down.
Good for managers and CEO. Bad for underlings.
Whose side are you on?
I am on the side of those who become self sufficient and remove the
yoke of Managers, Ceos, Politicians, Bureaucrats
Fine, if I understand you, then I feel the same way.
Most people would feel so, but everybody has to shout on every
occasion.
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Had read long back about a Brazilian boy having graduated from some
top Business School going back to Brazil and making the family
business a joint venture with the workers.
Havana feeds itself from fruit and veg its industrious citizen grow in
their back yards.
Strength of Indians lie in making do with little. Often of course
spare gets spent on religiosity which I have actively fought against
since I was a teen ager.
Fine, I will let anyone chase his dreams as long as those dreams do not
hurt me.
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a car.
Recent election show that American care too hoot for their poor who
got some relief in health care from Obama administration.
Polls I recall showed more like 1/2 and 1/2 happy vs angry about
Obamacare.
And I very much doubt that 1/2 could afford easily the old system.
It all depends on the insurance system. Medicare does not pay for
everything, but it is very cheap. You need another plan to cover more, but
it can cost another $100-200 per month. Best plans are govt sponsored so
you pay almost nothing (in other words, if you worked for govt and
retired from govt job, you are safe from anything).
How much insurance has become easier to get or cheaper after Obama's
bill getting passed ( I believe a bit watered down).
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Beyond that, people with no money can lose their house or anything they
own. So, I would favor something like UK NHS, but all of our darkside
capitalists are greedy-selfish for ripoff of consumers.
NHS will be communistic for most Christian backers of big money.
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Now, story is health corporations want Obamacare more than not.
I don't know, my health plan is just fine.
There were demands for roll back and suggestions that Congress will
pass bills to that effect, also will stand firm against any withdrawal
of windfall Bush gave to rich in tax relief.
It is a big stink here. All sides want more money, more services, more
free, and nobody wants to give one inch. All whine.
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It was not Capitalism tha came to Afghanistan/Pakistan. It was
American military trainers with weapons.
Repeat: communism got into those places before US got int them. Moscow was
prosyletizing and taking over way before Paki became Paki. Etc.
Yes there were communists in India before India became India, but they
were every where. Why had Chaplin to move out of USA?
It is McCarthy-ism that got USA killing and burning Vietnam. And it
started there.
Not quite. USA became much more anti-Soviet because of cultural conflict
between capitalism and communism. Our right wing never understood that in
Europe the anti-Soviet feelings were not as strong and Europe was already
doing a lot of trade business with Russians, so why would Russians bomb
Western Europe? But, NATO formed as aggressive extension of USA hegemony
and influence to keep out soft aggession by USSR.
SEATO, CENTO, and I believe there were couple more
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The spread of communism in Asia (first China, then India, then others) was
more agressive.
Indian Communist Party is the oldest (1925) political party of India
today.
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Before Viet Nam was Korea, and Nixon bombing Cambodia
(another crazy mess, and there are still messes over there). So, now, what
do we have? Nobody in USA talks about bad communism in China for 20 years
now that we get cheap goods and China gets all of our industries. VN is
still communist. S. Korea is big democratic capitalist success story, like
Japan. Maybe India will get control of its country. Nobody knows if China
will become somehow democratic.
If Iran was not disturbed in 1953 that region to would have been very
settled. After all they were the cradles of early civilizations.
Learning History of the region from
Dr Richard Miles
http://sydney.edu.au/arts/classics_ancient_history/staff/profiles/richard_miles.shtml
Not good at reading things.
BBC spoon feeds me.
3rd hour long episode took up to before Macedonian Philip and his "The
Great" son.
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Soviets did not train any one to bomb Russia. Even Chechen are an
offshoot of US adventure in Afghanistan and later on in Yugoslavia.
Oh, there is a different version of that, too.
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It tried to get even georgians killed just as it got 20000 Hungarian
killed some 50 years back.
You better save some blame for communism, too. Going back to when I was a
kid, we were always taking in one or two kids in my class who escaped from
East Europe & communism, every year. Nobody from India. And, they were
happy to come to the USA (no "piss on USA").
Many Indians must be cursing the system in India not letting them
justify escape. USA qualified Kashmiris after Terrorists trained by
USA for removing Soviets from Afghanistan. Afriend teaching at Ann
Arbor told me that he is being pressurised by US Embassy in India to
find something for a Kashmiri student of mine some 13 years back.
US, UK did play mischief with this or that group of Indians. Of course
you have the notion of Eastern India ruled by Naxalites, Maoist,
almost comparable to Indian being the country of tigers, elephants,
snake charmers and what not.
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KGB was not nice guys and they played all cards in deck.
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Don't count CIA unless you count KGB, which was everywhere, also before
late 1940s.
Of course CIA will be reported to be present by American Civil
servants everywhere.
CIA didn't even exist till some 20 years after USSR became USSR.
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http://youtu.be/2aH8kTJ_SZk
Oh, you like youtube?
Mostly for  likes
http://youtu.be/3HK5A8cofaA
Listen to it and then watch it
http://youtu.be/wlw1HMNy_as
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Get me something similar on KGB.
Is it important to you? You look it up.
I looked up sati/Thugee because of guys like you who just want make dirt
out of stuff from USA. What about 3,000 years of wars in India? Etc.
Get some Sati and Thugee from You Tube.
I like this better...
I can give it to you without effort from you...
As I said no reading, you tube.
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http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm#ThugSutt
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India
Religious practices outlawed under Wm. Bentinck, r.1828-35
Suttee (Sati) (from time immemorial to 1829)
Sakuntala Narasimhan, Sati: widow burning in India
7941 widows burned alive in the Bengal Presidency, 1815-28
According to Rammohun Roy, almost ten times more incidents in
Bengal than elsewhere
ANALYSIS: This indicates that there were some 8735 (=1.1 x 7941) satis
in all of India in 14 years, or around 62,400 in a century. Naturally,
this should be adjusted for population changes, shifting religious
traditions, etc., but it does point to a century total numbered
in the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands or
mere thousands.
Thuggee (Thagi) (13th C. to ca. 1838)
13 Oct. 2001 Toronto Star: 1M people strangled. (Points out that some
modern scholars doubt the full, legendary extent of the cult, perhaps
even its existence. This debate has quashed the publication of a new
book, The Wayfarers: Human Sacrifice Throughout Time And Around The
World by Daniel Wood, which is too bad because you can never have too
many children's books about human sacrifice.)
6 Jan. 2001 Birmingham Post: Worst known serial killer in history was
Indian Thug Behram, who strangled at least 931 victims in the Uttar
Pradesh district of India 1790-1840
Kevin Rushby (Children of Kali: Through India in Search of Bandits,
the Thug Cult and the British Raj (2002)) considers the Thugs a myth.
14 May 2005 Daily Telegraph (London) review of Thug: the True Story of
India's Murderous Cult by Mike Dash: "James [Sleeman] calculated that
Thugs had killed 50,000 people a year for up to 700 years, [but] Dash
arrives at a more reasonable figure of perhaps 50,000 victims in total."
Michael Newton, Holy Homicide (1998)
British authorities est. 40,000 Thug-related homicides in 1812 alone.
4,500 Thugs convicted, and 110 executed, 1830-48
George Bruce, The Stranglers: The cult of Thuggee and its overthrow in
British India (1968)
40,000 travellers died in India in 1812, "as indeed they had done every
year that records had been kept."
Estimated 4-5,000 Thugs in India, early 19thC
Individual tallies
Thug Rumzam: 604 killings in 21 years
He led gangs of 30-40, and saw 80-90 murders/year
Thug Buhram: 931 killings in 40 years
One gang of 125 in 3 months of 1831 murdered 108 victims.
Another gang of 60 in 8 months of 1831 murdered 201 victims.
unnamed gang of 50 members in Jubbulpore Dist.
Thug Feringeea spent some time with one gang of 100, another gang of 150.
In one grove, randomly selected as a campsite by Capt. Sleeman, the
Brits found 17 bodies from 3 different attacks.
Movie reviews for The Deceivers
3 Oct. 1988 Toronto Star: 2M murders
2 Sept. 1988 Bergen Record: 2M
Wm Saffire, "On Language", NYT 23 May 1999: ½M+
ANALYSIS
The simplest way of estimating total Thug killings is to multiply the only
fairly complete, well-documented number (40,000/yr in 1812) by the 600
years of activity = 24 million, which leaves most people shaking their
heads in disbelief. Twenty-four million based on a single statistic?
That can't be right, can it?
So, then, most people drop the idea of attaching a number, and just declare
that the Thugs killed "millions". Later estimates then translate "millions"
conservatively: "over a million", "two million or more", like that.
Another approach would be to take Bruce's estimate that, on average, each
Thug went on ten hunting expeditions during his lifetime and participated
in ten attacks on each expedition. That makes an average of 100 murders per
Thug. The approximately 4,500 Thugs at work in the early 19th C. would then
be responsible for 450,000 murders all told. With each generation of Thugs
having a productive life of about 33 years (ages 17-50), that means that
each century would see 3 generations (1,350,000 murders/century). In 600
years, that would come to 8.1 million.
An even more complicated calculation would be to figure the average
number of killings per year per Thug
Of the three gangs whose statistics are given
201/60/0.67=5 murders per year per Thug
108/125/0.25=3.5 murders per year per Thug
Rumzam's gang: 2-3 murders per year per Thug
@ 2 to 5 murders per-year-per-Thug and 4-5,000 Thugs, we get 0.8M to 2.5M
killings per century. Picking the mid-factors (3.5 x 4500) we get 1,575,000
in a century, or 9.45M in 600 years.
Or, instead, we could approach this from a per-gang average ...
The mean size of the gangs listed (or implied) here is about 80.
Average number of gangs at work: 4500 Thugs divided into gangs of 80 = 55
gangs ±
The mean number of murders per gang per year is about 275. That comes
to 15,125 Thug murders per year, or 9,075,000 in six centuries.
CONCLUSIONS
My various calculations come to 24.0M or 9.5M or 9.1M or 8.1M Thug murders
in 600 years, so nine million is a possibilty. But then so is Dash's 50,000,
so who knows?
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Call the Gita fellow. He will get you to reincarnate.
Hah! Even in the first paragraphs of Gita he put, and I quoted, it was a
war scene. Peaceful Indians? Peaceful Hindus? In a war scene, written by
Indians, Hindus?
Yes all thing is in the context of the epic war (real or myth) of
Kurukhetra. The place is still there in the state of Haryana which
initially was put within Punjab.
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But, guys like you do not need reincarnation to put yourself on pedestal
and lower USA into toilet.
USA has lowered itself in toilet, starting with Viet Nam.
Did Indian Dalits lower themselves into Indian toilet or were they born
there? Back how many thousands of years?
Delhi has brahmin public toilet cleaners. There will be many Dalit
officers for whom brahmin (peons carry files, get grocery for their
wives, tend to their children, cook for them, polish their boots).
Check on Ambedkar. Who looked after him at school. Who was his wife.
Fine, I have other things to do today.
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You could get another Ph.D. with that.
Even on Hindu websites. Surely for paying some fee. Another idea from
"Christian western business:" how to make money for Hinduism.
Where is your "thank you" for that, too?
You want me to thank whom for Maharaj making money?
Go and google on "India + conversion + hindu/christian" etc.
I did it 1-2 years ago. Lots of Indian websites offered conversion on red
carpet to go either way. I'm sure for fee.
There has been kind of conversion, P.Rajah mentioned Vivekanand, to
that Aurobindo, Rajneesh can be added. Not by proselytism, actively
perusing the prey, but buy people coming to them and these people are
not integrated in mainstream Hindu society except in communes like
Pondichery or in the West.
Fine.
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Its funny in the Chaterjee book on Ancient Warfare in India, the Brahmins
were not the kings, it was Kshatriyas, and Chaterjee said the Brahmins had
to do "hard sell" to Kshatria kings that only Brahmins were expert in
spiritual things, so let Brahmins be top guys. Very funny, typical
snowjobs existed thousands of years ago.
So in Ancient Egypt and among Muslims.
But brahmins did became big land lords in Bengal and that was one of
the reason after 1947 that part began to slide down and it was from
their youngsters that Naxal movement started. Largely because of lack
of land reform. Land was not made in the name of those who tilled it
as it was done straight away in Gujarat and that is why Communists
displaced Nehru-Indiara party which that Call Centre guy made you
believe is taking India to one party rule.
He said some things later....I lost interest for reasons.
  Hope you looked up the link
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I gave you there.
Land ownership was a big deal in both Asia and Europe, in the past, and
land reform has never been completed in 3rd world countries. I have a big
book on this history in many parts of the world and want to spend time on
this.
Gujarat had most comprehensive land reform soon after Independence.
Quite a few owners of lands of one or two villages got pissed off and
took up killing tillers. It took 5 years to get rid of them. Several
Hindu dacoits (Thugs) were given asylum by Pakistan as early as 1950s.
In 1980s it gave asylum to Sikh terrorist. Of the same stock of Sikhs
who were butchered by Muslims in 1947-48. Last ones given asylum were
Muslims who bomb Mumbai killing more people (250 vs 166) than number
got killed 2 years back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Bombay_bombings
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See, you have only negative attitude.
OK, I will "thank" India for cheap labor, just to show you I am not 100%
negative anti-Indian.
In my memory only Clinton acted as a decent human being asking
Pakistan to get off Kargil before he can speak to India not to go
further inside Pakistan.
Thank you for infinitesimal thank you to USA for infinitesimal thing.
Also, thank you for better "entertainment" than jDoc.
I would not have read some 5-6 books on India if it were not for all the
"100%-piss-on-USA" from Indians, here.
P.S. Sorry for racism in U.K. towards you (seriously).
Has not touched me, though I had heard bad stories. It is the children
of whites on dole that I better keep out of the way.
Maybe they are on dole because you guys replaced their parents in jobs
they had, and are justifiably mad at you.
Did you ever think of that? Or are invader Indians trying to make Dalit
population in UK out of native whites in UK?
Indians have created jobs for whites. Most Came when Idi Amin threw
them out just with cloths on them. All of them had British Passport.
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
Patent hijacking is getting a lot of complaints and its a big deal for
lawyers. I have a book on this whole subject. It is a mess.
Now, besides that example, which was an invention from India, but not
invented by any Indian, how about naming even one important patent from
India compared to patents from the west going back, say, 50 years?
In the other direction, Ranbaxy has applications on file with US FDA for
57 drugs, all invented, developed, tested, marketed in US by US pharma,
all going off patents since a few years ago, and all Ranbaxy needs to do
is make in garage and send to already existing market in US for cheap
prices. Big free ride worth $billions.
I have no expertise in that area. But surely if Indian Pharmaceutical
Industry was doing anything illegal there is are courts to approach.
If any country feels it is getting fucked by entering into global
market it is free to build wall around it.
Maybe not illegal (but there is some fight about India not honoring US
patents) and I don't follow it, but Ranbaxy and others really are getting
a free ride from expiring US patents.
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And plenty of illegal Indians more every day in USA?
Spend more on FBI to catch them.
Hah! immigration is not very high on my list of issues. Tell all your
Indian buddies to just come over if they want on any visa and overstay the
visa, and hide from INS. Maybe amnesty will be given and they will be
lucky.
Only H-1B ?
L visas have no limit. Tata, etc., can ship over all of its existing
employees in India and nobody can stop him. Then he can hire new
employees, and then ship them over, too. No end, no caps.
Tata has taken over a major British auto Company. Have not heard of
any Indians working in there except perhaps a few at managerial level.
After all it wants its investment to grow.
Its in the media.
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Then, pay them less, and then underbid all US-based IT companies and put
the US-based IT companies out of business unless they scream for H1b so
they can be paid less, too. This has already been printed in our media,
many times, over last 5-8 years.
It is only in the last 1-2 years people here are really getting upset with
China's devalued currency. I am sure Obama will not get re-elected without
miracle. Fear: Sarah nutcase Palin gets elected from voter anger instead
of thinking.
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Did american elect Bush because
...because Democrats did come up with a good candidate.
I did not say this right. I meant "Democrats did NOT come up with a good
candidate."
In 1980 Al Gore frowned upon Clinton getting sex that Hilary was not
giving him, did that Americans considered snobbish?
Gore might have gotten elected if Ralph Nader did not run. Nader was
pissed, too, at Gore for being unwilling to meet with Nader over corporate
power in USA and Gore is in bed with Corporations while Clinton was in
shaddows with Lewinsky.
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In 2004 American proved to be happy with slaughter in Iraq.
The idea of WMD was sold to the people only it was a lie and there was
talk of impeachment of Bush, but it never got anywhere because it would
lead to a political crisis (my opinion) and the people here would really
be confused and fed up with out politicians.
looks with shoeter experience Indian voter is better in dealing with
its politicians.
Indian voter? With at least four major parties?
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I also do not follow either Republican or Democratic lines of thinking
because they are both corrupt.
Voting public anywhere will have to keep knocking.
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Our prezs wanted expanded business in India as gift to India for becoming
part of world trade, only India played cheat.
Your whining is endless.
Just google on "India lobby" and lose your ignorance.
You think $50m Tata gave to Harvard is part of that Lobbying?
You should be asking what is Harvard giving Tata in return! What special
favors not mentioned in the media.
In fact, also, MIT gets lots of money from Japanese companies for sneak
peek at new technology coming out of MIT before patents, and that new
technology (most of it) is funded by taxpayer grants to MIT.
So why not stop foreign donations to Harvard, MIT, etc. Spend a bit
more. regulate them. Build a wall around USA.
Better to add back tariffs, and regulate trade.
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Most of high institutions are getting money and giving some kind of favor.
When I was in graduate school at another school, they had a "Iranian Study
Center" all to make home away from home for Iranian students (sons of
sheiks, etc), nice deals for them, and warm seats in class, and all paid
for by Iran elements.
Iran does not have Sheikhs. Some rich guys would not have been there
if CIA did not interfere with Iranian democracy in 1953 Iran would
have become more egalitarian today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Shah, whatever. Your speculations.

Campus doesn't care as long as money comes in.
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Go to any campus and see what programs are in the catalogs but the
catalogs will probably not tell you where the money comes from.
Even millionaires who donate big bucks can at least get a building
re-named for them. At most, they will get much more.
But, if you are willing to give big money to any campus with no strings
attached, the campus will gladly make that money disappear into dean's
hobby projects.
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Oh, so peaceful Hindu like you wants to expand sati to me? USA?
It will give you permanent relief over your constant belly ache.
Nah, I prefer natural death, eg. cancer, etc.
Cancer is on the top of your list? Will go for Radiotherapy or prefer
easier death?
I have no preference except for smallest pain. So, flames are out.
Cancer pains can really be quite terrible.
I will have my day with something.
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Take care of her instead of spending time whining here.
Oh, you spend time here because you have no wife?
I have to sit before computer for any time SOS from India.
We have one dedicated telephone line here for last call about one
relative, now 95, and falling apart in all ways.
Sorry to know that.
Two other telephone lines for dialup. One for wife, one for me. Wireless
broadband for two netbooks, and two different wireless carriers.
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own. So, I would favor something like UK NHS, but all of our darkside
capitalists are greedy-selfish for ripoff of consumers.
NHS will be communistic for most Christian backers of big money.
Not all backers of big money are Christian. They are just money-hungry
crooks.
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between capitalism and communism. Our right wing never understood that in
Europe the anti-Soviet feelings were not as strong and Europe was already
doing a lot of trade business with Russians, so why would Russians bomb
Western Europe? But, NATO formed as aggressive extension of USA hegemony
and influence to keep out soft aggession by USSR.
SEATO, CENTO, and I believe there were couple more
All part of "containment" strategy of US.
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The spread of communism in Asia (first China, then India, then others) was
more agressive.
Indian Communist Party is the oldest (1925) political party of India
today.
May you and them be "happy" with each other. They also have residual in
Russia (5% of everyone, or something like that).
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Before Viet Nam was Korea, and Nixon bombing Cambodia
(another crazy mess, and there are still messes over there). So, now, what
do we have? Nobody in USA talks about bad communism in China for 20 years
now that we get cheap goods and China gets all of our industries. VN is
still communist. S. Korea is big democratic capitalist success story, like
Japan. Maybe India will get control of its country. Nobody knows if China
will become somehow democratic.
If Iran was not disturbed in 1953 that region to would have been very
settled. After all they were the cradles of early civilizations.
Learning History of the region from
Dr Richard Miles
http://sydney.edu.au/arts/classics_ancient_history/staff/profiles/richard_miles.shtml
Not good at reading things.
BBC spoon feeds me.
3rd hour long episode took up to before Macedonian Philip and his "The
Great" son.
I have other books on my stack with higher priority.
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You better save some blame for communism, too. Going back to when I was a
kid, we were always taking in one or two kids in my class who escaped from
East Europe & communism, every year. Nobody from India. And, they were
happy to come to the USA (no "piss on USA").
Many Indians must be cursing the system in India not letting them
justify escape. USA qualified Kashmiris after Terrorists trained by
USA for removing Soviets from Afghanistan. Afriend teaching at Ann
Arbor told me that he is being pressurised by US Embassy in India to
find something for a Kashmiri student of mine some 13 years back.
US, UK did play mischief with this or that group of Indians. Of course
you have the notion of Eastern India ruled by Naxalites, Maoist,
You can get it from google and wiki, yourself.
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almost comparable to Indian being the country of tigers, elephants,
snake charmers and what not.
And, too many people.
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Has not touched me, though I had heard bad stories. It is the children
of whites on dole that I better keep out of the way.
Maybe they are on dole because you guys replaced their parents in jobs
they had, and are justifiably mad at you.
Did you ever think of that? Or are invader Indians trying to make Dalit
population in UK out of native whites in UK?
Indians have created jobs for whites.
Infinitesimal.
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
Patent hijacking is getting a lot of complaints and its a big deal for
lawyers. I have a book on this whole subject. It is a mess.
Now, besides that example, which was an invention from India, but not
invented by any Indian, how about naming even one important patent from
India compared to patents from the west going back, say, 50 years?
In the other direction, Ranbaxy has applications on file with US FDA for
57 drugs, all invented, developed, tested, marketed in US by US pharma,
all going off patents since a few years ago, and all Ranbaxy needs to do
is make in garage and send to already existing market in US for cheap
prices. Big free ride worth $billions.
I have no expertise in that area. But surely if Indian Pharmaceutical
Industry was doing anything illegal there is are courts to approach.
If any country feels it is getting fucked by entering into global
market it is free to build wall around it.
Maybe not illegal (but there is some fight about India not honoring US
patents) and I don't follow it, but Ranbaxy and others really are getting
a free ride from expiring US patents.
I believe Potatoes are not native to India. On whose back potato
growers of India have been taking a free ride. How much free ride the
European Invadesrs took on the back of the natives of that region in
addition to killing them. Did they bring corn seeds from Europe?
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And plenty of illegal Indians more every day in USA?
Spend more on FBI to catch them.
Hah! immigration is not very high on my list of issues. Tell all your
Indian buddies to just come over if they want on any visa and overstay the
visa, and hide from INS. Maybe amnesty will be given and they will be
lucky.
Only H-1B ?
L visas have no limit. Tata, etc., can ship over all of its existing
employees in India and nobody can stop him. Then he can hire new
employees, and then ship them over, too. No end, no caps.
Tata has taken over a major British auto Company. Have not heard of
any Indians working in there except perhaps a few at managerial level.
After all it wants its investment to grow.
Its in the media.
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Then, pay them less, and then underbid all US-based IT companies and put
the US-based IT companies out of business unless they scream for H1b so
they can be paid less, too. This has already been printed in our media,
many times, over last 5-8 years.
It is only in the last 1-2 years people here are really getting upset with
China's devalued currency. I am sure Obama will not get re-elected without
miracle. Fear: Sarah nutcase Palin gets elected from voter anger instead
of thinking.
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Did american elect Bush because
...because Democrats did come up with a good candidate.
I did not say this right. I meant "Democrats did NOT come up with a good
candidate."
In 1980 Al Gore frowned upon Clinton getting sex that Hilary was not
giving him, did that Americans considered snobbish?
Gore might have gotten elected if Ralph Nader did not run. Nader was
pissed, too, at Gore for being unwilling to meet with Nader over corporate
power in USA and Gore is in bed with Corporations while Clinton was in
shaddows with Lewinsky.
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In 2004 American proved to be happy with slaughter in Iraq.
The idea of WMD was sold to the people only it was a lie and there was
talk of impeachment of Bush, but it never got anywhere because it would
lead to a political crisis (my opinion) and the people here would really
be confused and fed up with out politicians.
looks with shoeter experience Indian voter is better in dealing with
its politicians.
Indian voter? With at least four major parties?
You have not looked at the link properly. You need to spend some more
of your time in reading how these parties emerged, some died, some
reinvented itself. Both voters and Politicians are kept on their toes
at least since Indira Gandhi became dictator.
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You should be asking what is Harvard giving Tata in return! What special
favors not mentioned in the media.
In fact, also, MIT gets lots of money from Japanese companies for sneak
peek at new technology coming out of MIT before patents, and that new
technology (most of it) is funded by taxpayer grants to MIT.
So why not stop foreign donations to Harvard, MIT, etc. Spend a bit
more. regulate them. Build a wall around USA.
Better to add back tariffs, and regulate trade.
It works both ways.
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Iran does not have Sheikhs. Some rich guys would not have been there
if CIA did not interfere with Iranian democracy in 1953 Iran would
have become more egalitarian today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Shah, whatever. Your speculations.
Campus doesn't care as long as money comes in.
Any money coming in from Cocaine Industry of America's former
colonies?
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I have no preference except for smallest pain. So, flames are out.
Cancer pains can really be quite terrible.
I will have my day with something.
I don't wish you either cancer or sati on you, though.
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Take care of her instead of spending time whining here.
Oh, you spend time here because you have no wife?
I have to sit before computer for any time SOS from India.
We have one dedicated telephone line here for last call about one
relative, now 95, and falling apart in all ways.
Sorry to know that.
Two other telephone lines for dialup. One for wife, one for me. Wireless
broadband for two netbooks, and two different wireless carriers.
Dial-up connections are no more used here in UK. Of course most are
through phone line of British Telecom infrastructure. But cable
network that started initially some 15 years back to give TV
transmissions are taken over by Virgin and can give speeds of above
40MB. Now an ISP has come up with facility that gives a single high
speed connection on 2 telephone line. Wireless connections have
started only 3 years back by 3g mobile phone company called THREE.
Quite costly. Used only by those who have to have internet while on
move in UK.
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own. So, I would favor something like UK NHS, but all of our darkside
capitalists are greedy-selfish for ripoff of consumers.
NHS will be communistic for most Christian backers of big money.
Not all backers of big money are Christian. They are just money-hungry
crooks.
How do the backers of Tea Party break up, say taking percentage of
population of white, blacks, latinos of USA, does that breakup reflect
in Tea Party break up.
In the one hour BBC program I saw no black or Latino interviewed. Even
the Washington DC rally organised by that fox tv guy addressed did not
seem to have any blacks in it. BBC guy took a bus ride to that rally
from some long distance.
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between capitalism and communism. Our right wing never understood that in
Europe the anti-Soviet feelings were not as strong and Europe was already
doing a lot of trade business with Russians, so why would Russians bomb
Western Europe? But, NATO formed as aggressive extension of USA hegemony
and influence to keep out soft aggession by USSR.
SEATO, CENTO, and I believe there were couple more
All part of "containment" strategy of US.
How well it has give returns to tax payer's money spent on that
"containment"?
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The spread of communism in Asia (first China, then India, then others) was
more agressive.
Indian Communist Party is the oldest (1925) political party of India
today.
May you and them be "happy" with each other. They also have residual in
Russia (5% of everyone, or something like that).
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Post by Art Sowers
Before Viet Nam was Korea, and Nixon bombing Cambodia
(another crazy mess, and there are still messes over there). So, now, what
do we have? Nobody in USA talks about bad communism in China for 20 years
now that we get cheap goods and China gets all of our industries. VN is
still communist. S. Korea is big democratic capitalist success story, like
Japan. Maybe India will get control of its country. Nobody knows if China
will become somehow democratic.
If Iran was not disturbed in 1953 that region to would have been very
settled. After all they were the cradles of early civilizations.
Learning History of the region from
Dr Richard Miles
http://sydney.edu.au/arts/classics_ancient_history/staff/profiles/ric...
Not good at reading things.
BBC spoon feeds me.
3rd hour long episode took up to before Macedonian Philip and his "The
Great" son.
I have other books on my stack with higher priority.
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You better save some blame for communism, too. Going back to when I was a
kid, we were always taking in one or two kids in my class who escaped from
East Europe & communism, every year. Nobody from India. And, they were
happy to come to the USA (no "piss on USA").
Many Indians must be cursing the system in India not letting them
justify escape. USA qualified Kashmiris after Terrorists trained by
USA for removing Soviets from Afghanistan. Afriend teaching at Ann
Arbor told me that he is being pressurised by US Embassy in India to
find something for a Kashmiri student of mine some 13 years back.
US, UK did play mischief with this or that group of Indians. Of course
you have the notion of Eastern India ruled by Naxalites, Maoist,
You can get it from google and wiki, yourself.
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almost comparable to Indian being the country of tigers, elephants,
snake charmers and what not.
And, too many people.
They hasve not come up there overnight. Unlike france and some extent
here in UK there is nothing given to couple for producing a child.
There are no child benefits in India. To government servants if after
2 children the male partner if he undergoes vasectomy there is some
benefit.
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Has not touched me, though I had heard bad stories. It is the children
of whites on dole that I better keep out of the way.
Maybe they are on dole because you guys replaced their parents in jobs
they had, and are justifiably mad at you.
Did you ever think of that? Or are invader Indians trying to make Dalit
population in UK out of native whites in UK?
Indians have created jobs for whites.
Infinitesimal.
Whites' who could look down upon Indians, that time has gone for ever,
but sneering at Indians will die with them perhaps in couple of
generations.
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
Patent hijacking is getting a lot of complaints and its a big deal for
lawyers. I have a book on this whole subject. It is a mess.
Now, besides that example, which was an invention from India, but not
invented by any Indian, how about naming even one important patent from
India compared to patents from the west going back, say, 50 years?
In the other direction, Ranbaxy has applications on file with US FDA for
57 drugs, all invented, developed, tested, marketed in US by US pharma,
all going off patents since a few years ago, and all Ranbaxy needs to do
is make in garage and send to already existing market in US for cheap
prices. Big free ride worth $billions.
I have no expertise in that area. But surely if Indian Pharmaceutical
Industry was doing anything illegal there is are courts to approach.
If any country feels it is getting fucked by entering into global
market it is free to build wall around it.
Maybe not illegal (but there is some fight about India not honoring US
patents) and I don't follow it, but Ranbaxy and others really are getting
a free ride from expiring US patents.
I believe Potatoes are not native to India. On whose back potato
growers of India have been taking a free ride. How much free ride the
European Invadesrs took on the back of the natives of that region in
addition to killing them. Did they bring corn seeds from Europe?
How much stolen software from US did India (and China, etc) take from US
by ignoring copyright/patents? How much did Indians benefit from IT and
communications technology that came from USA? I'm still asking what major
invention came out of India?

Many crop plants were imported before anyone got the idea to patent
anything, but I do have a book on origins of crop plants.
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The idea of WMD was sold to the people only it was a lie and there was
talk of impeachment of Bush, but it never got anywhere because it would
lead to a political crisis (my opinion) and the people here would really
be confused and fed up with out politicians.
looks with shoeter experience Indian voter is better in dealing with
its politicians.
Indian voter? With at least four major parties?
You have not looked at the link properly. You need to spend some more
of your time in reading how these parties emerged, some died, some
reinvented itself. Both voters and Politicians are kept on their toes
at least since Indira Gandhi became dictator.
I am not interested in Indian politics. It is for Indians to sort out. I
read an article that listed Indian political parties. Good luck.
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technology (most of it) is funded by taxpayer grants to MIT.
So why not stop foreign donations to Harvard, MIT, etc. Spend a bit
more. regulate them. Build a wall around USA.
Better to add back tariffs, and regulate trade.
It works both ways.
Especially since I saw the tariff list and India has among the highest
tariffs (protectionism) and USA has among the lowest (almost free ride for
imports from India).
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Iran does not have Sheikhs. Some rich guys would not have been there
if CIA did not interfere with Iranian democracy in 1953 Iran would
have become more egalitarian today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Shah, whatever. Your speculations.
Campus doesn't care as long as money comes in.
Any money coming in from Cocaine Industry of America's former
colonies?
Which former colonies?
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relative, now 95, and falling apart in all ways.
Sorry to know that.
Two other telephone lines for dialup. One for wife, one for me. Wireless
broadband for two netbooks, and two different wireless carriers.
Dial-up connections are no more used here in UK.
There is some usefulness to me that I can't get on wireless.

Of course most are
Post by DMJoshi
through phone line of British Telecom infrastructure. But cable
network that started initially some 15 years back to give TV
transmissions are taken over by Virgin and can give speeds of above
40MB. Now an ISP has come up with facility that gives a single high
speed connection on 2 telephone line.
We had such a think 10-15 years ago, but it never became widespread.

Wireless connections have
Post by DMJoshi
started only 3 years back by 3g mobile phone company called THREE.
Quite costly. Used only by those who have to have internet while on
move in UK.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
own. So, I would favor something like UK NHS, but all of our darkside
capitalists are greedy-selfish for ripoff of consumers.
NHS will be communistic for most Christian backers of big money.
Not all backers of big money are Christian. They are just money-hungry
crooks.
How do the backers of Tea Party break up, say taking percentage of
population of white, blacks, latinos of USA, does that breakup reflect
in Tea Party break up.
I don't understand the question.
Post by DMJoshi
In the one hour BBC program I saw no black or Latino interviewed. Even
the Washington DC rally organised by that fox tv guy addressed did not
seem to have any blacks in it. BBC guy took a bus ride to that rally
from some long distance.
Have you ever looked at the audience of sports events? Majority white
people. If you think about it, you might come up with your answers and
save me a lot of time.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
between capitalism and communism. Our right wing never understood that in
Europe the anti-Soviet feelings were not as strong and Europe was already
doing a lot of trade business with Russians, so why would Russians bomb
Western Europe? But, NATO formed as aggressive extension of USA hegemony
and influence to keep out soft aggession by USSR.
SEATO, CENTO, and I believe there were couple more
All part of "containment" strategy of US.
How well it has give returns to tax payer's money spent on that
"containment"?
Maybe not benefit to tax payers, but comfortable releif to rich people.

However, my "moto" is that no matter where, when, the rich/powerful
control the society, and exclusively for their benefit. Its called
plutocracy. Even in ancient Babylon.
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Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
almost comparable to Indian being the country of tigers, elephants,
snake charmers and what not.
And, too many people.
They hasve not come up there overnight. Unlike france and some extent
here in UK there is nothing given to couple for producing a child.
So why too many people in India?
Post by DMJoshi
There are no child benefits in India. To government servants if after
2 children the male partner if he undergoes vasectomy there is some
benefit.
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Post by Art Sowers
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Has not touched me, though I had heard bad stories. It is the children
of whites on dole that I better keep out of the way.
Maybe they are on dole because you guys replaced their parents in jobs
they had, and are justifiably mad at you.
Did you ever think of that? Or are invader Indians trying to make Dalit
population in UK out of native whites in UK?
Indians have created jobs for whites.
Infinitesimal.
Whites' who could look down upon Indians, that time has gone for ever,
but sneering at Indians will die with them perhaps in couple of
generations.
Indian arrogance includes blindness to China and lofty fresh air from
altitude by self-placement on high pedestal.
DMJoshi
2010-11-28 14:47:23 UTC
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
Patent hijacking is getting a lot of complaints and its a big deal for
lawyers. I have a book on this whole subject. It is a mess.
Now, besides that example, which was an invention from India, but not
invented by any Indian, how about naming even one important patent from
India compared to patents from the west going back, say, 50 years?
In the other direction, Ranbaxy has applications on file with US FDA for
57 drugs, all invented, developed, tested, marketed in US by US pharma,
all going off patents since a few years ago, and all Ranbaxy needs to do
is make in garage and send to already existing market in US for cheap
prices. Big free ride worth $billions.
I have no expertise in that area. But surely if Indian Pharmaceutical
Industry was doing anything illegal there is are courts to approach.
If any country feels it is getting fucked by entering into global
market it is free to build wall around it.
Maybe not illegal (but there is some fight about India not honoring US
patents) and I don't follow it, but Ranbaxy and others really are getting
a free ride from expiring US patents.
I believe Potatoes are not native to India. On whose back potato
growers of India have been taking a free ride. How much free ride the
European Invadesrs took on the back of the natives of that region in
addition to killing them. Did they bring corn seeds from Europe?
How much stolen software from US did India (and China, etc) take from US
by ignoring copyright/patents? How much did Indians benefit from IT and
communications technology that came from USA? I'm still asking what major
invention came out of India?
How many software you have patented?

It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
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Many crop plants were imported before anyone got the idea to patent
anything, but I do have a book on origins of crop plants.
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The idea of WMD was sold to the people only it was a lie and there was
talk of impeachment of Bush, but it never got anywhere because it would
lead to a political crisis (my opinion) and the people here would really
be confused and fed up with out politicians.
looks with shoeter experience Indian voter is better in dealing with
its politicians.
Indian voter? With at least four major parties?
You have not looked at the link properly. You need to spend some more
of your time in reading how these parties emerged, some died, some
reinvented itself. Both voters and Politicians are kept on their toes
at least since Indira Gandhi became dictator.
I am not interested in Indian politics. It is for Indians to sort out. I
read an article that listed Indian political parties. Good luck.
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technology (most of it) is funded by taxpayer grants to MIT.
So why not stop foreign donations to Harvard, MIT, etc. Spend a bit
more. regulate them. Build a wall around USA.
Better to add back tariffs, and regulate trade.
It works both ways.
Especially since I saw the tariff list and India has among the highest
tariffs (protectionism) and USA has among the lowest (almost free ride for
imports from India).
Mangoes were not allowed in till Harley Davidson was freed to be
imported in India.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
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Iran does not have Sheikhs. Some rich guys would not have been there
if CIA did not interfere with Iranian democracy in 1953 Iran would
have become more egalitarian today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Shah, whatever. Your speculations.
Campus doesn't care as long as money comes in.
Any money coming in from Cocaine Industry of America's former
colonies?
Which former colonies?
They are now cannot be twisted by USA, so former.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
relative, now 95, and falling apart in all ways.
Sorry to know that.
Two other telephone lines for dialup. One for wife, one for me. Wireless
broadband for two netbooks, and two different wireless carriers.
Dial-up connections are no more used here in UK.
There is some usefulness to me that I can't get on wireless.
Do you say that no connection come on phone line there while phone
keeps working.
Little device called micro-filter and modem of the ISP lets phone to
be used as well as internet. If one wants one can have as many as 16
static IPs as well.
Post by Art Sowers
  Of course most are
Post by DMJoshi
through phone line of British Telecom infrastructure. But cable
network that started initially some 15 years back to give TV
transmissions are taken over by Virgin and can give speeds of above
40MB. Now an ISP has come up with facility that gives a single high
speed connection on 2 telephone line.
We had such a think 10-15 years ago, but it never became widespread.
  Wireless connections have
Post by DMJoshi
started only 3 years back by 3g mobile phone company called THREE.
Quite costly. Used only by those who have to have internet while on
move in UK.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
own. So, I would favor something like UK NHS, but all of our darkside
capitalists are greedy-selfish for ripoff of consumers.
NHS will be communistic for most Christian backers of big money.
Not all backers of big money are Christian. They are just money-hungry
crooks.
How do the backers of Tea Party break up, say taking percentage of
population of white, blacks, latinos of USA, does that breakup reflect
in Tea Party break up.
I don't understand the question.
Tea party followers, the ones who voted for candidate endorsed by
Palin last time, the ones that went to that Fox TV demagogue's rally
in Washington?
On one had US population has certain percenatges of each white, black,
latinoes.
What is that break up for Palin followers, the ones who are set to
oppose some $800b job creation plan of Obama?
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
In the one hour BBC program I saw no black or Latino interviewed. Even
the Washington DC rally organised by that fox tv guy addressed did not
seem to have any blacks in it. BBC guy took a bus ride to that rally
from some long distance.
Have you ever looked at the audience of sports events? Majority white
people. If you think about it, you might come up with your answers and
save me a lot of time.
Despite there being good number of black sportsman?
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
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between capitalism and communism. Our right wing never understood that in
Europe the anti-Soviet feelings were not as strong and Europe was already
doing a lot of trade business with Russians, so why would Russians bomb
Western Europe? But, NATO formed as aggressive extension of USA hegemony
and influence to keep out soft aggession by USSR.
SEATO, CENTO, and I believe there were couple more
All part of "containment" strategy of US.
How well it has give returns to tax payer's money spent on that
"containment"?
Maybe not benefit to tax payers, but comfortable releif to rich people.
If they are earning more money from communist China, weren't Americans
cheated by 2containment to save Christian God?
Post by Art Sowers
However, my "moto" is that no matter where, when, the rich/powerful
control the society, and exclusively for their benefit. Its called
plutocracy. Even in ancient Babylon.
So essential containment was to profit their armament Industry in the
name of saving Christian God.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
almost comparable to Indian being the country of tigers, elephants,
snake charmers and what not.
And, too many people.
They hasve not come up there overnight. Unlike france and some extent
here in UK there is nothing given to couple for producing a child.
So why too many people in India?
People over millennia liked to live there.

While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there. So now they have to
bribe whites to produce more. Does US still pay per child some money
till the child get to working age?
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
There are no child benefits in India. To government servants if after
2 children the male partner if he undergoes vasectomy there is some
benefit.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Has not touched me, though I had heard bad stories. It is the children
of whites on dole that I better keep out of the way.
Maybe they are on dole because you guys replaced their parents in jobs
they had, and are justifiably mad at you.
Did you ever think of that? Or are invader Indians trying to make Dalit
population in UK out of native whites in UK?
Indians have created jobs for whites.
Infinitesimal.
Whites' who could look down upon Indians, that time has gone for ever,
but sneering at Indians will die with them perhaps in couple of
generations.
Indian arrogance includes blindness to China and lofty fresh air from
altitude by self-placement on high pedestal.
It is arrogance to those who contantly demand "respect" despite not
being worthy of any respect.
Art Sowers
2010-11-28 18:29:03 UTC
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
Patent hijacking is getting a lot of complaints and its a big deal for
lawyers. I have a book on this whole subject. It is a mess.
Now, besides that example, which was an invention from India, but not
invented by any Indian, how about naming even one important patent from
India compared to patents from the west going back, say, 50 years?
In the other direction, Ranbaxy has applications on file with US FDA for
57 drugs, all invented, developed, tested, marketed in US by US pharma,
all going off patents since a few years ago, and all Ranbaxy needs to do
is make in garage and send to already existing market in US for cheap
prices. Big free ride worth $billions.
I have no expertise in that area. But surely if Indian Pharmaceutical
Industry was doing anything illegal there is are courts to approach.
If any country feels it is getting fucked by entering into global
market it is free to build wall around it.
Maybe not illegal (but there is some fight about India not honoring US
patents) and I don't follow it, but Ranbaxy and others really are getting
a free ride from expiring US patents.
I believe Potatoes are not native to India. On whose back potato
growers of India have been taking a free ride. How much free ride the
European Invadesrs took on the back of the natives of that region in
addition to killing them. Did they bring corn seeds from Europe?
How much stolen software from US did India (and China, etc) take from US
by ignoring copyright/patents? How much did Indians benefit from IT and
communications technology that came from USA? I'm still asking what major
invention came out of India?
How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Post by DMJoshi
It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?

But, it is your nature, that is why. Your biggoted, nationalistic, biased,
prejuduced nature.
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Many crop plants were imported before anyone got the idea to patent
anything, but I do have a book on origins of crop plants.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
The idea of WMD was sold to the people only it was a lie and there was
talk of impeachment of Bush, but it never got anywhere because it would
lead to a political crisis (my opinion) and the people here would really
be confused and fed up with out politicians.
looks with shoeter experience Indian voter is better in dealing with
its politicians.
Indian voter? With at least four major parties?
You have not looked at the link properly. You need to spend some more
of your time in reading how these parties emerged, some died, some
reinvented itself. Both voters and Politicians are kept on their toes
at least since Indira Gandhi became dictator.
I am not interested in Indian politics. It is for Indians to sort out. I
read an article that listed Indian political parties. Good luck.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
technology (most of it) is funded by taxpayer grants to MIT.
So why not stop foreign donations to Harvard, MIT, etc. Spend a bit
more. regulate them. Build a wall around USA.
Better to add back tariffs, and regulate trade.
It works both ways.
Especially since I saw the tariff list and India has among the highest
tariffs (protectionism) and USA has among the lowest (almost free ride for
imports from India).
Mangoes were not allowed in till Harley Davidson was freed to be
imported in India.
Another diversion from you.

Here, read this...

How India Cheats.....

Quotes of a letter to the editor, Wall Street Journal, July 17, 2007, page
A15:

title: "Brazil, India Walked Away From Superb Opportunity"

from part of second paragraph:

"In agriculture, the disparities in the current level of protection are
even more striking, but India has not been willing to reduce that
protection even modestly. The US average agricultural tariff is 12%, while
the global average is 62% and India's is a remarkable 114%."

Other parts of the letter dealt with Brazil, another holdout on the Doha
round of WTO talks.

Letter signed by

Peter F. Allgeier, US Ambassador to the WTO, Geneva
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Iran does not have Sheikhs. Some rich guys would not have been there
if CIA did not interfere with Iranian democracy in 1953 Iran would
have become more egalitarian today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
Shah, whatever. Your speculations.
Campus doesn't care as long as money comes in.
Any money coming in from Cocaine Industry of America's former
colonies?
Which former colonies?
They are now cannot be twisted by USA, so former.
Oh, so you can't name them, can you?
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
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Post by Art Sowers
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relative, now 95, and falling apart in all ways.
Sorry to know that.
Two other telephone lines for dialup. One for wife, one for me. Wireless
broadband for two netbooks, and two different wireless carriers.
Dial-up connections are no more used here in UK.
There is some usefulness to me that I can't get on wireless.
Do you say that no connection come on phone line there while phone
keeps working.
I have no idea what you are talking about.

I will say differently: I can do some things on dialup that I cannot do on
wireless.
Post by DMJoshi
Little device called micro-filter and modem of the ISP lets phone to
be used as well as internet. If one wants one can have as many as 16
static IPs as well.
Post by Art Sowers
  Of course most are
Post by DMJoshi
through phone line of British Telecom infrastructure. But cable
network that started initially some 15 years back to give TV
transmissions are taken over by Virgin and can give speeds of above
40MB. Now an ISP has come up with facility that gives a single high
speed connection on 2 telephone line.
We had such a think 10-15 years ago, but it never became widespread.
  Wireless connections have
Post by DMJoshi
started only 3 years back by 3g mobile phone company called THREE.
Quite costly. Used only by those who have to have internet while on
move in UK.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
own. So, I would favor something like UK NHS, but all of our darkside
capitalists are greedy-selfish for ripoff of consumers.
NHS will be communistic for most Christian backers of big money.
Not all backers of big money are Christian. They are just money-hungry
crooks.
How do the backers of Tea Party break up, say taking percentage of
population of white, blacks, latinos of USA, does that breakup reflect
in Tea Party break up.
I don't understand the question.
Tea party followers, the ones who voted for candidate endorsed by
Palin last time, the ones that went to that Fox TV demagogue's rally
in Washington?
On one had US population has certain percenatges of each white, black,
latinoes.
What is that break up for Palin followers, the ones who are set to
oppose some $800b job creation plan of Obama?
OK. Pallin, tea party, and Republicans are not all the same thing. Not all
tea party likes Pallin. Not all Republicans like tea party. Pallin and tea
party are more like extremist Republicans, base their story on emotional
appeal rather than understanding. Pallin is most dangerous. Tea party does
not like govt, but does not recognize corporate crime, either. Plus some
other details. I will pay more attention in the 3-6 months before
election, and whether our economy comes back.

We also have a lot of anti-Congress sentiment, and more anti-Republican
sentiment, but most of all, sentiment to vote all of them out, no matter
what they are. My view: our Congress is too polarized to get anything done
or think straight.
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In the one hour BBC program I saw no black or Latino interviewed. Even
the Washington DC rally organised by that fox tv guy addressed did not
seem to have any blacks in it. BBC guy took a bus ride to that rally
from some long distance.
Have you ever looked at the audience of sports events? Majority white
people. If you think about it, you might come up with your answers and
save me a lot of time.
Despite there being good number of black sportsman?
It doesn't even matter. Blacks in sports depends on the sports. Some
sports have nearly zero blacks, some are almost all black.
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between capitalism and communism. Our right wing never understood that in
Europe the anti-Soviet feelings were not as strong and Europe was already
doing a lot of trade business with Russians, so why would Russians bomb
Western Europe? But, NATO formed as aggressive extension of USA hegemony
and influence to keep out soft aggession by USSR.
SEATO, CENTO, and I believe there were couple more
All part of "containment" strategy of US.
How well it has give returns to tax payer's money spent on that
"containment"?
Maybe not benefit to tax payers, but comfortable releif to rich people.
If they are earning more money from communist China, weren't Americans
cheated by 2containment to save Christian God?
Christian God almost never comes into the picture. Still, containment was
also a way to cause communism to spend more money to fight containment.

In the end, communism is in decline. Actually there are arguments that
this is bad for the west because so much taxpayer money went into
anti-communist programs and many of those guys also in cushy jobs lost
their careers, just like communist party members in USSR lost their
careers, too, now their party represents like 5% of people in Russia.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
However, my "moto" is that no matter where, when, the rich/powerful
control the society, and exclusively for their benefit. Its called
plutocracy. Even in ancient Babylon.
So essential containment was to profit their armament Industry in the
name of saving Christian God.
You still make error on this. Arms industry all over the world: China
sells arms, many countries sell arms. I bet even India sells arms.
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almost comparable to Indian being the country of tigers, elephants,
snake charmers and what not.
And, too many people.
They hasve not come up there overnight. Unlike france and some extent
here in UK there is nothing given to couple for producing a child.
So why too many people in India?
People over millennia liked to live there.
...and have sex more than anyone else.
Post by DMJoshi
While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there.
Who didn't know how to defend themselves, like poor victims of sati,
thugee, and 3,000 years of wars in India, poor victims of infanticide in
India, etc.

So now they have to
Post by DMJoshi
bribe whites to produce more. Does US still pay per child some money
till the child get to working age?
Some tax exemption, far too little to matter.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
There are no child benefits in India. To government servants if after
2 children the male partner if he undergoes vasectomy there is some
benefit.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Has not touched me, though I had heard bad stories. It is the children
of whites on dole that I better keep out of the way.
Maybe they are on dole because you guys replaced their parents in jobs
they had, and are justifiably mad at you.
Did you ever think of that? Or are invader Indians trying to make Dalit
population in UK out of native whites in UK?
Indians have created jobs for whites.
Infinitesimal.
Whites' who could look down upon Indians, that time has gone for ever,
but sneering at Indians will die with them perhaps in couple of
generations.
Indian arrogance includes blindness to China and lofty fresh air from
altitude by self-placement on high pedestal.
It is arrogance to those who contantly demand "respect"
You mean yourself?

despite not
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being worthy of any respect.
You mean yourself?
DMJoshi
2010-11-29 09:00:07 UTC
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
Patent hijacking is getting a lot of complaints and its a big deal for
lawyers. I have a book on this whole subject. It is a mess.
Now, besides that example, which was an invention from India, but not
invented by any Indian, how about naming even one important patent from
India compared to patents from the west going back, say, 50 years?
In the other direction, Ranbaxy has applications on file with US FDA for
57 drugs, all invented, developed, tested, marketed in US by US pharma,
all going off patents since a few years ago, and all Ranbaxy needs to do
is make in garage and send to already existing market in US for cheap
prices. Big free ride worth $billions.
I have no expertise in that area. But surely if Indian Pharmaceutical
Industry was doing anything illegal there is are courts to approach.
If any country feels it is getting fucked by entering into global
market it is free to build wall around it.
Maybe not illegal (but there is some fight about India not honoring US
patents) and I don't follow it, but Ranbaxy and others really are getting
a free ride from expiring US patents.
I believe Potatoes are not native to India. On whose back potato
growers of India have been taking a free ride. How much free ride the
European Invadesrs took on the back of the natives of that region in
addition to killing them. Did they bring corn seeds from Europe?
How much stolen software from US did India (and China, etc) take from US
by ignoring copyright/patents? How much did Indians benefit from IT and
communications technology that came from USA? I'm still asking what major
invention came out of India?
How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
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It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
But, it is your nature, that is why. Your biggoted, nationalistic, biased,
prejuduced nature.
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Especially since I saw the tariff list and India has among the highest
tariffs (protectionism) and USA has among the lowest (almost free ride for
imports from India).
Mangoes were not allowed in till Harley Davidson was freed to be
imported in India.
Another diversion from you.
Here, read this...
How India Cheats.....
Quotes of a letter to the editor, Wall Street Journal, July 17, 2007, page
title: "Brazil, India Walked Away From Superb Opportunity"
"In agriculture, the disparities in the current level of protection are
even more striking, but India has not been willing to reduce that
protection even modestly. The US average agricultural tariff is 12%, while
the global average is 62% and India's is a remarkable 114%."
Other parts of the letter dealt with Brazil, another holdout on the Doha
round of WTO talks.
Letter signed by
Peter F. Allgeier, US Ambassador to the WTO, Geneva
Just like your 1997 petition to some Washington news paper?
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Which former colonies?
They are now cannot be twisted by USA, so former.
Oh, so you can't name them, can you?
How about starting with Batista, Baby Doc, Pinoche ?
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Do you say that no connection come on phone line there while phone
keeps working.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
I will say differently: I can do some things on dialup that I cannot do on
wireless.
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Little device called micro-filter and modem of the ISP lets phone to
be used as well as internet. If one wants one can have as many as 16
static IPs as well.
Means you do not know about Microfilter and its use on Internet
connection. It would be strange if it does not exist in USA
infrastructure.
http://www.langtoninfo.com/showitem.aspx?isbn=5014865624023
It does sell in USA, means internet connection on phone line keeping
phone working is there.
Dial-up stops phone line getting used for making/receiving call while
one is using it for internet.
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Tea party followers, the ones who voted for candidate endorsed by
Palin last time, the ones that went to that Fox TV demagogue's rally
in Washington?
On one had US population has certain percenatges of each white, black,
latinoes.
What is that break up for Palin followers, the ones who are set to
oppose some $800b job creation plan of Obama?
OK. Pallin, tea party, and Republicans are not all the same thing. Not all
tea party likes Pallin. Not all Republicans like tea party. Pallin and tea
party are more like extremist Republicans, base their story on emotional
appeal rather than understanding.
McCarthy-ism you didplay by truckloads is based on understanding?
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Pallin is most dangerous. Tea party does
not like govt, but does not recognize corporate crime, either. Plus some
other details. I will pay more attention in the 3-6 months before
election, and whether our economy comes back.
We also have a lot of anti-Congress sentiment, and more anti-Republican
sentiment, but most of all, sentiment to vote all of them out, no matter
what they are. My view: our Congress is too polarized to get anything done
or think straight.
Thanks for explaining you take on all that.
So it looks to save American economy from India and Indians has
squarely fallen on your broad shoulders.
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In the one hour BBC program I saw no black or Latino interviewed. Even
the Washington DC rally organised by that fox tv guy addressed did not
seem to have any blacks in it. BBC guy took a bus ride to that rally
from some long distance.
Have you ever looked at the audience of sports events? Majority white
people. If you think about it, you might come up with your answers and
save me a lot of time.
Despite there being good number of black sportsman?
It doesn't even matter. Blacks in sports depends on the sports. Some
sports have nearly zero blacks, some are almost all black.
Ice hocky?
Basketball, American football, Baseball cannot do without them. The
last one perhaps lost its shine since it got identified with Cuba.
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Maybe not benefit to tax payers, but comfortable releif to rich people.
If they are earning more money from communist China, weren't Americans
cheated by 2containment to save Christian God?
Christian God almost never comes into the picture. Still, containment was
also a way to cause communism to spend more money to fight containment.
Did poor of communist countries lose out more or Poor of USA lose out
more?
Or you would say that there were no US poor till Indians(Hindus)
invaded US?
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In the end, communism is in decline. Actually there are arguments that
this is bad for the west because so much taxpayer money went into
anti-communist programs and many of those guys also in cushy jobs lost
their careers, just like communist party members in USSR lost their
careers, too, now their party represents like 5% of people in Russia.
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However, my "moto" is that no matter where, when, the rich/powerful
control the society, and exclusively for their benefit. Its called
plutocracy. Even in ancient Babylon.
So essential containment was to profit their armament Industry in the
name of saving Christian God.
You still make error on this.  Arms industry all over the world: China
sells arms, many countries sell arms. I bet even India sells arms.
In India Arms industry is totally under state ownership.
I doubt it would be so in USA.
How much tax payers money went into buying arms for US army.
During Vietnam war who produced cluster-bombs and Napalm bombs?
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So why too many people in India?
People over millennia liked to live there.
...and have sex more than anyone else.
Isn't that synonymous with "like to live" ?
I believe it was liking to have sex that brought about revolution in
Christianity.

Young Man Luther. A Study in Psychoanalysis and History: By Erik H.
Erikson. New York: W. W. Norton & Co., Inc., 1958. 288 pp.

Read it.

[will attend remaining gripe later]
Art Sowers
2010-11-29 12:55:49 UTC
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And, $billions worth of US drug patents expiring so Indian pharma can make
pills to sell in US without costs of R&D, costs of testing, costs of
marketing, just cheap factory and cheap currency?
When a patent expires elsewhere, USA will not use the formula?
What important expiring patents come out of India? What important expiring
patents come out of China?
There has been cases of Indian herbal, arboreal products of India
getting hijacked by Christian Capitalism of the west.
I am being prescribed one and another is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/745028.stm
Patent hijacking is getting a lot of complaints and its a big deal for
lawyers. I have a book on this whole subject. It is a mess.
Now, besides that example, which was an invention from India, but not
invented by any Indian, how about naming even one important patent from
India compared to patents from the west going back, say, 50 years?
In the other direction, Ranbaxy has applications on file with US FDA for
57 drugs, all invented, developed, tested, marketed in US by US pharma,
all going off patents since a few years ago, and all Ranbaxy needs to do
is make in garage and send to already existing market in US for cheap
prices. Big free ride worth $billions.
I have no expertise in that area. But surely if Indian Pharmaceutical
Industry was doing anything illegal there is are courts to approach.
If any country feels it is getting fucked by entering into global
market it is free to build wall around it.
Maybe not illegal (but there is some fight about India not honoring US
patents) and I don't follow it, but Ranbaxy and others really are getting
a free ride from expiring US patents.
I believe Potatoes are not native to India. On whose back potato
growers of India have been taking a free ride. How much free ride the
European Invadesrs took on the back of the natives of that region in
addition to killing them. Did they bring corn seeds from Europe?
How much stolen software from US did India (and China, etc) take from US
by ignoring copyright/patents? How much did Indians benefit from IT and
communications technology that came from USA? I'm still asking what major
invention came out of India?
How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
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It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
DMJoshi
2010-11-29 13:05:49 UTC
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How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
Ask those who have patents on those software. They do keep on tab on
what is getting used and if unauthorised they do make it tough for the
users. The year was 1992. A professor from a big US university was
visiting (Surat) and was using a Word Processor that was pirated. Of
course he being American he had right to cheat on unprotected but
otherwise priced tool, I suppose.
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Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
And still you have nothing better to do, like take your wife to a
beauty salon.
Art Sowers
2010-11-29 13:15:38 UTC
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How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
Ask those who have patents on those software. They do keep on tab on
what is getting used and if unauthorised they do make it tough for the
users. The year was 1992. A professor from a big US university was
visiting (Surat) and was using a Word Processor that was pirated. Of
course he being American he had right to cheat on unprotected but
otherwise priced tool, I suppose.
Is that the only case you know?
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It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
And still you have nothing better to do, like take your wife to a
beauty salon.
What about you? Or are you night guard who has nothing to do but watch TV
monitors for burglars who probably are never there.

I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
DMJoshi
2010-11-29 13:43:36 UTC
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How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
Ask those who have patents on those software. They do keep on tab on
what is getting used and if unauthorised they do make it tough for the
users. The year was 1992. A professor from a big US university was
visiting (Surat) and was using a Word Processor that was pirated. Of
course he being American he had right to cheat on unprotected but
otherwise priced tool, I suppose.
Is that the only case you know?
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
And still you have nothing better to do, like take your wife to a
beauty salon.
What about you? Or are you night guard who has nothing to do but watch TV
monitors for burglars who probably are never there.
Isn't that a bit of snobbish of a handyman?
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I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
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2010-11-29 14:38:54 UTC
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How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
Ask those who have patents on those software. They do keep on tab on
what is getting used and if unauthorised they do make it tough for the
users. The year was 1992. A professor from a big US university was
visiting (Surat) and was using a Word Processor that was pirated. Of
course he being American he had right to cheat on unprotected but
otherwise priced tool, I suppose.
Is that the only case you know?
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
And still you have nothing better to do, like take your wife to a
beauty salon.
What about you? Or are you night guard who has nothing to do but watch TV
monitors for burglars who probably are never there.
Isn't that a bit of snobbish of a handyman?
Oh, I had three different lines of business in my company. Including one
as consultant (I told you this many times now, only you jus remember what
you want). So, someone I know wanted something mechanical done and I said
I could do it, and he paid me for that. Then he asked for more
mechanical work done and he paid me more.

But, you? What so important thing do you do that you never explained?
Besides attack whites, USA, and Americans?

While...what does India do for the world? Almost nothing besides make
too many people and send them to USA for jobs India can't make? China gets
ten times as much press coverage in USA as India.
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I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
Boltbus Driver
2010-11-29 16:55:52 UTC
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While...what does India do for the world? Almost nothing besides make
too many people and send them to USA for jobs India can't make?
India sends too many people to USA because too many people in
USA are brainless zombies with low IQ. This confirmed by
US corporations which are sick and tired of hiring stupid
americans.
Art Sowers
2010-11-29 19:48:14 UTC
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While...what does India do for the world? Almost nothing besides make
too many people and send them to USA for jobs India can't make?
India sends too many people to USA because too many people in
USA are brainless zombies with low IQ.
Premature conclusion.

This confirmed by
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US corporations which are sick and tired of hiring stupid
americans.
I like the confirmation of cheap labor, below, better...

------------------------

from Business Week, Feb 11, 2008, pages 57-59:

title: "Are H1-B Workers Getting Bilked?"

subtitle: "Overseas companies are accused of underpaying foreigners on
work visas--and hurting U.S. wages."

I get this from my personal print subscription, you Indians who have web
access can find the article yourselves....

Quotes:

"A few years ago, Vishal Goel had high hopes of moving from his native
India to the U.S. to work as a computer programmer. He approached Patni
Computer Sysems, a Mumbai company that provides tech services to many
American Businesses, and Patni agreed to apply for a U.S. work visa on his
behalf. By 2004, Goel was in Bloomington, Ill., working for Patni at State
Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance...."

"But this was no dream job come true. Goel's base salary was $23,310,
about half of the $44,000 that Patni said it would pay on the visa
application, according to a lawsuit he has filed against the company."

"He's suing along with a former colleague, Peeush Goyal, who alleges he
was subjected to similar treatment."

"Goel's is not an isolated case. A number of the most active users of the
work-visa program, for what are known as H-1B visas, have been accused of
underpaying or otherwise mistreating workers. Last year, Patni paid $2.4
million to 607 H-1B visa workers after a Labor Dept. investigation
uncovered systematic underpayment of wages."

So the "India brag" voices on these NGs, about how Indian IT workers are
so much more "productive" than Americans, is just a pile of propaganda
meant to lie about how these guys are brought in and exploited to keep
them in poverty.

And, please note that it was a US Labor Department investigation that
uncovered the abuse.

So, are we "entitled" to some standard of living? At least I'll give Goel
credit for trying to seek justice (and an income more along the lines he
needs). And, for all the Indians out there who are posting their lying
propaganda: you're hurting yourselves and Americans and avoiding the real
criminals: the CEOs that cheat anyone they can, anywhere they can, anytime
they can.

Oh, yes, here is the H1-B visa numbers list (from a sidebar in the same
article):

Infoysys 4,908
Wipro 4,002
Microsoft 3,117
Tata 3,046
Satyam 2,880

Looks like Indian CEOs are also crooks, just like US CEOs.

Of course, Indian underlings are all blind to this and like to divert
attention to "lazy Americans" whose "entitlements" are too great. And, our
local NG shills, including Kamal, fake "Jack Welch", etc., keep blowing
their propaganda smoke, too.

So, how many Indian programmers might there be in the US making $20,000 to
$30,000 per year? And, how those Indian IT corporations getting (saying)
big increases in net profits per year? By screwing their employees?
DMJoshi
2010-11-29 17:41:31 UTC
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How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
Ask those who have patents on those software. They do keep on tab on
what is getting used and if unauthorised they do make it tough for the
users. The year was 1992. A professor from a big US university was
visiting (Surat) and was using a Word Processor that was pirated. Of
course he being American he had right to cheat on unprotected but
otherwise priced tool, I suppose.
Is that the only case you know?
Post by DMJoshi
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Post by DMJoshi
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Post by DMJoshi
It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
And still you have nothing better to do, like take your wife to a
beauty salon.
What about you? Or are you night guard who has nothing to do but watch TV
monitors for burglars who probably are never there.
Isn't that a bit of snobbish of a handyman?
Oh, I had three different lines of business in my company. Including one
as consultant (I told you this many times now, only you jus remember what
you want). So, someone I know wanted something mechanical done and I said
I could do it, and he paid me for that. Then he asked for more
mechanical work done and he paid me more.
That was not what jDoc quoted for which I thanked him telling
everything fits.
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But, you? What so important thing do you do that you never explained?
Besides attack whites, USA, and Americans?
While...what does India do for the world? Almost nothing besides make
too many people and send them to USA for jobs India can't make? China gets
ten times as much press coverage in USA as India.
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Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
Art Sowers
2010-11-29 19:53:05 UTC
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How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
Ask those who have patents on those software. They do keep on tab on
what is getting used and if unauthorised they do make it tough for the
users. The year was 1992. A professor from a big US university was
visiting (Surat) and was using a Word Processor that was pirated. Of
course he being American he had right to cheat on unprotected but
otherwise priced tool, I suppose.
Is that the only case you know?
Post by DMJoshi
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
And still you have nothing better to do, like take your wife to a
beauty salon.
What about you? Or are you night guard who has nothing to do but watch TV
monitors for burglars who probably are never there.
Isn't that a bit of snobbish of a handyman?
Oh, I had three different lines of business in my company. Including one
as consultant (I told you this many times now, only you jus remember what
you want). So, someone I know wanted something mechanical done and I said
I could do it, and he paid me for that. Then he asked for more
mechanical work done and he paid me more.
That was not what jDoc quoted
So, you are, after all, member/fan of jDoc fan club.
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for which I thanked him
Kissing his feet one day, warning "Indians beware Maharaj" another day.

telling
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everything fits.
Ahhhh....yes if you can make ton of dirt out of speck of dust, then it
fits. If you can't make ton of dirt from speck of dust, then it is like
all history of Indian bad deeds: you ignore/deny.
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But, you? What so important thing do you do that you never explained?
Besides attack whites, USA, and Americans?
While...what does India do for the world? Almost nothing besides make
too many people and send them to USA for jobs India can't make? China gets
ten times as much press coverage in USA as India.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
Oh, you can remind me if you want.
DMJoshi
2010-11-30 06:52:40 UTC
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How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
Ask those who have patents on those software. They do keep on tab on
what is getting used and if unauthorised they do make it tough for the
users. The year was 1992. A professor from a big US university was
visiting (Surat) and was using a Word Processor that was pirated. Of
course he being American he had right to cheat on unprotected but
otherwise priced tool, I suppose.
Is that the only case you know?
Post by DMJoshi
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
And still you have nothing better to do, like take your wife to a
beauty salon.
What about you? Or are you night guard who has nothing to do but watch TV
monitors for burglars who probably are never there.
Isn't that a bit of snobbish of a handyman?
Oh, I had three different lines of business in my company. Including one
as consultant (I told you this many times now, only you jus remember what
you want). So, someone I know wanted something mechanical done and I said
I could do it, and he paid me for that. Then he asked for more
mechanical work done and he paid me more.
That was not what jDoc quoted
So, you are, after all, member/fan of jDoc fan club.
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for which I thanked him
Kissing his feet one day, warning "Indians beware Maharaj" another day.
When you say "Thank you" to any one are you kissing feet of that one?
Any one who wants to paddle "enormous gratitude to USA for its alleged
fight against Islamic Muslim Terrorism" is anti-India for the reasons
I have given repeatedly.
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  telling
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everything fits.
Ahhhh....yes if you can make ton of dirt out of speck of dust, then it
fits. If you can't make ton of dirt from speck of dust, then it is like
all history of Indian bad deeds: you ignore/deny.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
But, you? What so important thing do you do that you never explained?
Besides attack whites, USA, and Americans?
While...what does India do for the world? Almost nothing besides make
too many people and send them to USA for jobs India can't make? China gets
ten times as much press coverage in USA as India.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
Oh, you can remind me if you want.
I did.
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2010-11-30 10:43:21 UTC
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How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
Ask those who have patents on those software. They do keep on tab on
what is getting used and if unauthorised they do make it tough for the
users. The year was 1992. A professor from a big US university was
visiting (Surat) and was using a Word Processor that was pirated. Of
course he being American he had right to cheat on unprotected but
otherwise priced tool, I suppose.
Is that the only case you know?
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It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
And still you have nothing better to do, like take your wife to a
beauty salon.
What about you? Or are you night guard who has nothing to do but watch TV
monitors for burglars who probably are never there.
Isn't that a bit of snobbish of a handyman?
Oh, I had three different lines of business in my company. Including one
as consultant (I told you this many times now, only you jus remember what
you want). So, someone I know wanted something mechanical done and I said
I could do it, and he paid me for that. Then he asked for more
mechanical work done and he paid me more.
That was not what jDoc quoted
So, you are, after all, member/fan of jDoc fan club.
Post by DMJoshi
for which I thanked him
Kissing his feet one day, warning "Indians beware Maharaj" another day.
When you say "Thank you" to any one are you kissing feet of that one?
I recall you also answered him "Dr." and Rajah caught that, too. So,
suddenly --yes--you changed from anti-jDoc to His Majesty jDoc.
Post by DMJoshi
Any one who wants to paddle "enormous gratitude to USA for its alleged
fight against Islamic Muslim Terrorism" is anti-India for the reasons
I have given repeatedly.
Oh sure.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  telling
Post by DMJoshi
everything fits.
Ahhhh....yes if you can make ton of dirt out of speck of dust, then it
fits. If you can't make ton of dirt from speck of dust, then it is like
all history of Indian bad deeds: you ignore/deny.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
But, you? What so important thing do you do that you never explained?
Besides attack whites, USA, and Americans?
While...what does India do for the world? Almost nothing besides make
too many people and send them to USA for jobs India can't make? China gets
ten times as much press coverage in USA as India.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
Oh, you can remind me if you want.
I did.
Well, if I can save files to show you, then you can save files to show me,
but you don't do that.
DMJoshi
2010-11-30 11:49:40 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
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How many software you have patented?
I actually do have a patent.
Had you named it Indians (Hindus) would have stolen it?
You did not answer my question "How much stolen from US ...."
Ask those who have patents on those software. They do keep on tab on
what is getting used and if unauthorised they do make it tough for the
users. The year was 1992. A professor from a big US university was
visiting (Surat) and was using a Word Processor that was pirated. Of
course he being American he had right to cheat on unprotected but
otherwise priced tool, I suppose.
Is that the only case you know?
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is like others eat and rushing to toilet comes on you.
I answered your question, why don't you answer my question?
See, your game is so obvious, and you don't even know you are playing it,
and you don't even perceive that I have discovered your game long ago.
And still you have nothing better to do, like take your wife to a
beauty salon.
What about you? Or are you night guard who has nothing to do but watch TV
monitors for burglars who probably are never there.
Isn't that a bit of snobbish of a handyman?
Oh, I had three different lines of business in my company. Including one
as consultant (I told you this many times now, only you jus remember what
you want). So, someone I know wanted something mechanical done and I said
I could do it, and he paid me for that. Then he asked for more
mechanical work done and he paid me more.
That was not what jDoc quoted
So, you are, after all, member/fan of jDoc fan club.
Post by DMJoshi
for which I thanked him
Kissing his feet one day, warning "Indians beware Maharaj" another day.
When you say "Thank you" to any one are you kissing feet of that one?
I recall you also answered him "Dr." and Rajah caught that, too. So,
suddenly --yes--you changed from anti-jDoc to His Majesty jDoc.
It was a sincere "Thank you".
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Any one who wants to paddle "enormous gratitude to USA for its alleged
fight against Islamic Muslim Terrorism" is anti-India for the reasons
I have given repeatedly.
Oh sure.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
  telling
Post by DMJoshi
everything fits.
Ahhhh....yes if you can make ton of dirt out of speck of dust, then it
fits. If you can't make ton of dirt from speck of dust, then it is like
all history of Indian bad deeds: you ignore/deny.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
But, you? What so important thing do you do that you never explained?
Besides attack whites, USA, and Americans?
While...what does India do for the world? Almost nothing besides make
too many people and send them to USA for jobs India can't make? China gets
ten times as much press coverage in USA as India.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
Oh, you can remind me if you want.
I did.
Well, if I can save files to show you, then you can save files to show me,
but you don't do that.
I prefer posts to the point.

P. Rajah
2010-11-29 23:02:45 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
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Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
No, you wrote that you had contracted HIV from having sex with someone's
mother.
Art Sowers
2010-11-30 00:10:05 UTC
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Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
[...]
Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
No, you wrote that you had contracted HIV from having sex with someone's
mother.
He also made reference some time ago (maybe 1-2 months? more than a few
weeks ago) to screwing someone else's daughters, too. Maybe he is a closet
sex-offender, too?

I should try to find that post. It is priceless.
DMJoshi
2010-11-30 06:03:32 UTC
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Post by P. Rajah
Post by DMJoshi
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Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
No, you wrote that you had contracted HIV from having sex with someone's
mother.
He also made reference some time ago (maybe 1-2 months? more than a few
weeks ago) to screwing someone else's daughters, too. Maybe he is a closet
sex-offender, too?
I should try to find that post. It is priceless.
In response to your Indians having too much sex, I referred to
revolution in Christianity and referred you to a book by Erikson.
There was something else too I wrote in context of child benefits in
France, produce more get more returns from tax payers money.
cogitoergosum
2010-11-30 06:44:09 UTC
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CWG scam: CBI raids Kalmadi aides for fraud
TNN, Nov 30, 2010, 10.20am IST

Tags:VK Verma booked|Suresh Kalmadi|Lalit Bhanot charged|CWG|
Commonwealth Games scam

NEW DELHI: The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) seems to be
closing in on Suresh Kalmadi, after an FIR was lodged against the
tainted Commonwealth Games Organising chairman’s close aides Lalit
Bhanot and VK Verma on Tuesday.

The CBI has charged the duo for criminal conspiracy, misuse of
official post, cheating and forgery in the CWG overlays scam. The CBI
is understood to have observed glaring irregularities in the deals
struck by both Bhanot and Verma, according to Times Now.

The CBI raided the offices and residences of Lalit Bhanot and VK Verma
and the raids are currently on at 11 places in Delhi.

Bhanot is the Secretary General of the Commonwealth Games Organising
Committee and VK Verma is the Director General of the Commonwealth
Games.

Earlier, the CBI had registered two FIR in their bid to seek all the
documents, which can lead to the OC’s exposure in dealing with
payments made to different agencies involved in the 2010 Delhi Games.

Following intense scrutiny of the documents procured in several raids
conducted earlier, the CBI is understood to have tapped the loopholes
in the preparations of the Games. The result of that seizure of
documents is the third FIR lodged today in the CWG scam.

Verma has already been questioned by the Enforcement Directorate (ED)
in connection with irregularities in the Queen’s Baton Relay in the
UK.

The raids come on a day when the CBI is all set to oppose the bail
plea of two other aides of Kalmadi, TS Darbari and Sanjay Mohindroo,
who are currently in custody.

With two of his close aides in custody and now his closest aides
Bhanot and VK Verma facing raids, the big question now is – Will
Kalmadi face the CBI heat next?

Kalmadi had on Monday claimed he had not committed any offence and was
ready to answer all CBI questions.

“I welcome the investigations (into the financial irregularities in
the Commonwealth Games). I will give a statement in parliament and I
have met Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar and she said whenever the house
runs I can make the statement,” Kalmadi said.

CBI has not summoned me back home: Kalmadi
PTI, Nov 25, 2010, 11.02pm IST

Tags:Suresh Kalmadi|Queen Baton Relay|Organising Committee|
Commonwealth Games Organising Committee|Commonwealth Games|CBI
Kalmadi

GUANGZHOU: Under scanner Commonwealth Games Organising Committee
chairman Suresh Kalmadi on Thursday refused to talk about the Queen
Baton Relay’s controversy, which resulted in the arrest of three of
his close aides, and said he has not been summoned by the CBI back
home in India.

“No, I have not been summoned,” was the prompt reply from Kalmadi, who
is in Guangzhou for the Asian Games.

When asked whether he has been asked by the CBI to come back to India,
Kalmadi said, “No, No, No (smiling).”

Kalmadi’s aides – T S Darbari, Sanjay Mahendroo and M Jayachandran —
were arrested for alleged financial irregularities during the
organisation of the Relay in London last year and are presently in CBI
custody, pending investigation.

While Darbari and Mahendroo have been in CBI custody since their
arrest on November 15, Jayachandran was arrested on the November 20.

When asked about his whereabouts, the OC chairman told reporters, “I
am here for the closing ceremony. I have been in Monaco and I have
been in China (for the last one week).”

Refusing to talk about the arrest of his three aides in India, Kalmadi
said, “We will talk about this in Delhi. Let’s talk about athletics
here.”

Readers’ opinions (1)

pirate of the caribean (trinidad)
26 Nov, 2010 08:21 PM

You shoul be put up in jail for rigarous imprisonment for 20 years
before considering the trial

Comment

Please, set Kashmir free
Malavika Sangghvi | Saturday, August 23, 2008

As the daughter of a Kashmiri Hindu, whose family left its ancestral
home in Srinagar during the turmoilthat followed Partition, I would
liketo express a sentiment that I still haven’t heard in the rhetoric
about Kashmir.

I speak for those for whom Kashmir is not a symbol of one-upman ship
with Pakistan, not a piece of a jigsaw puzzle that is intrinsic to the
sovereignty of Indiaand not a football to be kicked around by cynical
politicians, but as the daughter of a family in whose very lifeblood
Kashmir courses every moment.

Cut our hearts open and you will see Kashmir, put your ear to our
sighs, and you will hear our yearning for the land where our family
spent its last days intact and happy before Partition scattered us to
the winds, rendering us refugees.

Growing up dislocated in Mumbai, as a child, it never failed to
surprise me when people who oftenhadn’t so far stepped out of their
suburb, would say:”Kashmir is ours! We will never give it up! Let them
try and take Kashmir from us!”

Even at that early age, when I could have mistaken their jingoism for
kindred sentiment, I realised that their virulence had nothing to do
with my family’slove for Kashmir, but was misguided machismo.

And I would find myself seething with rage at the audacity of their
presumption. “But Kashmir was never yours,” I’d say in my mind. And
sometimes, when more provoked: “You don’t deserve Kashmir!” And then
I’d go home to my mother, whose ever present, unshed tears for her
homeland, were a leitmotif of our life in Mumbai.

Throughout my childhood, my family would go back to Srinagar (the
ancestral home in Vazir Baugh had to be sold when my widower
grandfather became too old to live alone) to stay with Muslim friends,
with whom we shared a poignant empathy: we had lost Kashmir because we
had moved away; they were losing it everyday, living there, witnessing
its destruction. Over kawha, we would watch as the elders of our
family weep for what had been.

Like a woman too beautiful for her own good, Kashmir was a tragedy
even then. It produced an ache in our hearts when we heard its name
and thought of its ill fate: and then, because you cannot sit weeping
over lost Valleys all your life,when we returned home we put Kashmir
on the backburner.

And on that backburner, Kashmir fermented Sheikh Abdullah, a man whose
commitment to India was unquestionable, was humiliated, jailed,
alienated. The most unimaginable genocide was committed on thepeople.
Entire generations of its sons were mowed down by an army whose
presence was as large as it was unpopular. And in its knee-jerk,
misguided, ill-conceived approach to Kashmir the Indian polity
revealed its shallowness.

But through this all, intrinsically, those of us who have Kashmir in
our bloods, know that the Kashmiri Pandits who have been driven out of
their homeland are not enemies of the Kashmiri Muslims, in fact they
are both victims of the historic blundering of the Indian government’s
Kashmir policy.

Take away Delhi’s political brinkmanship, take away the Hindutva
sentiment that has played so neatly into the hands of Pakistan and its
fishing-in-troubled-waters game and you may be surprised at how
harmoniously Kashmir’s Hindus and Muslims can live.

So, on behalf of my mother, my family, and all those who have loved
and lost Kashmir, I beg:Please. We have done enough damage to and in
Kashmir. Enough to last many lifetimes. The chinars are tinged with
too muchblood. We have failed Kashmir and we don’t deserve her
anymore. Leave Kashmir alone. Set her free.

Email: ***@dnaindia.net

Main Article

MFIs are making profits at the expense of the poorest people
Anil Dharker | Monday, November 1, 2010

Comments: 3

An estranged wife may not be the most objective witness, so perhaps we
shouldn’t take everything Malini Byanna says about ex-husband Vikram
Akula as gospel truth.

Writing an Open Letter, her main contention is that many of the ideas
adopted by SKS Microfinance were originally hers; she also says the
seed money for the whole enterprise came from her family. She also
accuses him of ruthlessness and getting rid of people who disagreed
with him or were no longer useful to him.

Akula is not the first CEO, and he won’t be the last, who is accused
of the ‘sins’ listed above. In fact in the corporate world, especially
in the US, a CEO’s single-minded focus on profits accompanied by a
willingness to ‘push people off the cliff’ will often be rewarded with
a million dollar bonus.
Article continues below the advertisement…

Akula does have a history of sacking people, the latest being the SKS
CEO Suresh Gurunani, whose hiring had grabbed business paper
headlines.

But we shouldn’t shed too many tears for Gurunani: after all, he was
given a joining bonus of Rs1 crore by SKS. More than that his
severance terms would give him his salary for a year (Rs1.5 crore)
plus 1.25 lakh stock options (valued at Rs300 crore at current
prices!!) Not bad for few months work.

It’s not Vikram Akula’s management style nor his inter-personal
relationships which should bother us. What should are some of the
numbers in the previous paragraph and some of the numbers that follow.
The number of zeroes bankers and finance men can command, while making
zero real contribution to society is no longer news.

The shamelessness with which Americans bankers have paid themselves
million dollar bonuses while pauperising their middle-class clients is
too well documented to require repetition.

But a micro finance institution? Somehow that was meant to be
different. Ever since Mohammed Yunus was given a Nobel for his work
with Grameen Bank, the world was under the illusion that micro-finance
was a benevolent exercise, and people like Akula wore a halo that
shone in any light. Now we know that the halo dazzled us so much that
we failed to see how fat their wallets had become.

It wasn’t just the media that was taken in: one of the large investors
in SKS Micro finance was Narayan Murthy, and if even he could be taken
in…

Someone — a banker —said to me, “What’s wrong in making profits?”
There isn’t, of course, but there’s a line beyond which profit becomes
profiteering. In the case of micro-financing, that line is clear and
leaves no room for ambiguity because of the nature of the enterprise.

Micro finance companies give small loans to farmers and the rural
poor, a role hitherto played by moneylenders, the kind who gave rise
to Naxalism.

These money lenders charged 48% interest or sometimes even more, thus
ensuring that their client is forever in debt. Banks, even
nationalised banks, wouldn’t step in because the sums involved were
too small and the customers were too far dispersed. In stepped
microfinance companies, willing to work with small margins, and
spreading around the countryside to the remotest corners to help the
poor of our country.

Or so we thought till Vikram Akula went in for an IPO. The size of the
IPO and the eagerness of people to lap up its shares made everyone sit
up and take notice: obviously there was lots of money to be made in
microfinance. The public who subscribed to the IPO saw that before the
media did.

The microfinance bottom line works because of the traditional money
lender. If he charges 50% interest, anyone charging half of that seems
like an angel.

Which is how SKS worked: get money from institutions at 9.5% (by
Akula’s recent admission) and lend at 26%. That margin takes care of
the high cost of disbursing and collecting over a large geographical
area, and still leaves a very healthy margin for making profit.

You and I pay less than half of that for our home loans. But the poor
and marginal farmer, making a subsistence living, borrowing money for
absolute essentials like seeds and fertilisers, has to pay 26% or
more. (Since the story broke, SKS has announced a reduction of 2% in
the interest charged. Big deal)

This is profit-taking at its most callous, because the MFIs are making
massive profits at the expense of the poorest people in India. As a
result, farmer suicides continue unabated.

In Andhra Pradesh, for example, 25 people took their own lives
recently. Of them 17 were SKS Microfinance borrowers.

Perhaps that’s just a coincidence. But the fact remains that the poor
of this country are being exploited by people who profess to be do-
gooders, but actually are in it only to make money.

The fate of Vikram Akula and SKS Microfinance should not bother us;
what should is the fate of the millions who make companies like SKS
fat and profitable, and who themselves have nothing — not even a
semblance of a future — to show for it.

Comments:

Rajan Alexander from Bangalore
Micro-savings and revolving loans often worked very well. Self-Help
Groups (SHGs) being small and homogeneous are controlled by members
where borrowers themselves play a key role in the development of SHGs.
They contribute small savings, regularly attend the meetings, and
participate in making the rules related to loans, interest rates,
repayment schedules and mechanisms. These groups are thus more likely
to be characterised by self-management and self-reliance.

This is until the much-hyped micro-finance institutions (MFIs) burst
onto the scene. They eased out NGOs on the specious argument that we
were not equipped with our limited capability to run micro-finance
lending programmes. These MFIs operate under these two beliefs:
“Having access to expensive credit is better than no credit” and “the
observed rate is where demand equals supply”. These two beliefs were
ironically the very same fulcrum on which the traditional moneylenders
operate.

The result is an “animal farm” situation where we are now not able to
distinguish between “pigs” and “humans” and vice-versa. In fact,
moneylenders have got a makeover by packaging themselves as MFIs. A
good example is Mohammed Yunus of Grameen Bank who comes from a
traditional money-lending caste. And of course, he got the Nobel Prize
and so did Al Gore & Pachauri. Thank God, the Nobel Committee did not
confer Gandhiji the same distinction, by clubbing him with these
scamsters. In India, it is no accident that the Father of
Microfinance, Vijay Mahajan, also comes from a traditional money-
lending caste.

Read More: http://devconsultgroup.blogspot.com/2010/10/whats-wrong-with-micro-finance.html

Posted on: Nov 1, 2010 5:49 IST

I Care from delhi
If micro-savings and revolving loans had worked well then no one
should have gone to MFIs. i can understand how much so called NGOs and
social activists have been neglected by poor peoples after the arrival
of MFIs. And these NGOs and social activists sure want to take their
revenge by ranting and making lies (at the expense of the poor
again?).

Posted on: Nov 3, 2010 18:57 IST

I Care from delhi
Of course an MFI company has an agenda to make profit. Article would
have made some sense if author had presented some data or statistics
to justify his claims instead of just writing few paragraphs of pure
rant.

Posted on: Nov 3, 2010 18:52 IST

Comment

Greed for land has consumed society
Prahlad Rao | Tuesday, November 30, 2010

Land has been the flavour of the month and may stay like that as the
New Year dawns. The debate generated by politicians has cast a shadow
over all of us in this city, which seems to have sold its soul to the
devil in the form of a real estate agent.

While BDA raised the hopes of lakhs of middle class people, it has
failed to the gather support of other government agencies to fulfill
their dreams. It is slow and gets bogged down often in procedures
because of inflexibility. This slow pace of development has given rise
to a breed of unscrupulous elements out to cash in on the greed for a
piece of property.

The bureaucracy, the political establishment and the agents have
transformed the middle class into a greedy pack. The tragedy of modern
times is that the middle class, which has always been the custodian of
society’s values and morals, has lost its bearings and credibility.

Thomas More in his celebrated work Utopia wrote: “All this greed
for gain and accompanying centralization of wealth in the hands of few
leads to the rise of a dispossessed and indigent class. Then, with a
view to keeping this class in subjugation, heavy and fearful
punishments are decreed.”

Maybe he had the current lot of politicians in mind when More wrote
strongly against the statesmen who rant about public good when all the
time they are seeking their own advantage.

What is this advantage we all fall for? It’s the desire to get while
the getting is good. Those who strive for power and wealth have long
thought that more would satisfy them. Human experience demonstrates
that individuals and institutions, small and great, have faced this
temptation.

Want more damning explanation? Read this. Philippe Gigantès, history
professor and retired Canadian senator, suggests in Power & Greed: A
Short History of the World (published in 2002) that the highlights of
human history have been part of an ongoing quest to gain power, “the
best instrument for satisfying one’s desires.”

“Whatever their culture and epoch,” writes Gigantès, “mankind has
sought to acquire what it takes to satisfy five basic desires:
security, shelter, sustenance, sex (for pleasure or progeny) and self-
expression. To avoid chaos, society needs rules that limit the freedom
of its members to pursue their desires.”

Land will be the chief reason if Bangalore loses its character and
culture. Politicians are grabbing them by the acre, farmers are
selling them for a price, agents are manufacturing fake documents by
the dozen and the middle-class is waiting to be cheated. Greed has
made us forget the values and spirit of community. We hope that those
who care for Bangalore will act and temper the temptation and stem the
rot, now.

Column
Resignation is not enough; A Raja must be fully exposed
Anil Dharker | Monday, November 15, 2010

Comments: 2

Anil Dharker

This is being written on Saturday morning. When you read the column on
Monday, will Spectrum Raja still be king of the telecom ministry?
Maybe, maybe not. “I will not resign,’ he has said, adding “why should
I resign?” Millions of Indians can tell him why, but the one Indian
who matters to Raja, a certain gentleman in dark glasses in Chennai
whose name suggests infinite kindness, hasn’t told him why, so he will
shamelessly cling on to his chair.

But perhaps, this time M Karunanidhi might not have any option but to
replace him.

However, will the mere removal of Raja be enough? In the Adarsh case,
the buck hasn’t stopped with Chavan. There’s talk of initiating action
against the bureaucrats whose clever machinations made the whole scam
possible, people like Ramanand Tiwari, then principal secretary for
urban development, SS Kshatriya, then general manager of BEST (they
seem to have helped transfer spare FSI (floor space index) from the
adjoining BEST land to Adarsh), the Mumbai Collector Idzes Kundan and
others.

There is also serious talk of demolishing the Adarsh building which
will be a fitting thing to do, because it will ensure that all those
dreams of making illicit money will lie in a heap of rubble.
Similarly, in the Commonwealth Games scandal, it’s not just Suresh
Kalmadi who had to resign from his Congress party post. Multiple
probes are on into every aspect of the Games.

But the Commonwealth Games and Adarsh scams are really tiny compared
to the telecom scandal. In its final report on the case, the
Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has said that the loss to the
country due to the spectrum scam is Rs1.76 lakh crore.

That’s Rs1760000000000. Now you know why long, long ago India invented
the zero: we knew that in the coming centuries we would need lots and
lots of them. Most of us would have problems comprehending what all
those zeroes mean. This may help a bit. Rs1.76 lakh crore is seven
times the national health budget, three times the education budget,
and bigger than the entire defence budget.

Impressed? You should be. Can there be a bigger scam than this? It has
to be the biggest swindle ever in the history of India and anywhere in
the world. Yet, Raja and his Boss of Infinite Mercy think they are
blameless!

CAG’s final report leaves no room for ambiguity. It says the
allocation of the 2G (2nd generation) spectrum in January 2008 was
flawed in every way. A total of 122 licences were issued to telecom
companies for 2G services in different circles in the country. Of
these, according to CAG, 85 licences were given to 12 companies
inspite of the fact that they did not meet DoT eligibility conditions.
But that’s a technicality: based on the foreign direct investment
(FDI) attracted by the companies which won the licences, the cost of a
pan-India licence should have been anywhere between Rs7,442 crore and
Rs47,918 crore. Raja issued a pan-India licence for only Rs1,658
crore.

CAG used two different methodologies to assess the loss to the
exchequer. One was based on the offer made by foreign telecom major
STel in 2007. For 6.2 MHz of 2G spectrum for the 122 licences, its
offer added up to Rs65,725 crore against the Rs1,093 crore collected
by DoT. Add to that the dual technology rate offered by STel of
Rs24,591 crore and you get Rs90,316 crore. The second methodology is
too technical to get into.

Raja and his ministry adopted a first-come, first-served policy at
earlier rates rather than the auction route taken for 3G, which has
shown how very valuable spectrum allocation is. Raja and his cronies
may claim that this is hindsight, and that at the time of the 2G
allocation they did not have the benefit of the 3G figures. To that we
reply with a simple analogy: Suppose you had a very rare Tyeb Mehta
painting, one everyone knew was extremely valuable. Would you sell it
to the first offer you received? Or would you put it up for auction at
Christie’s to see how much more the painting would fetch?

I will give you two answers. Answer No 1: You would maximise your
income by giving it to the auction house. Answer No 2: You would sell
it to the first buyer. This would have a catch: the income here would
be your official declared income. But there would be a sizeable amount
you would get under the table. Am I insinuating something? Draw your
own conclusions.

But is Raja’s head enough? If he is sacked, he will lick his wounds,
and then flourish in Tamil Nadu politics. Considering the loss he has
caused to the nation, he must be probed by the Anti Corruption Bureau,
income-tax department, etc, thoroughly. If he has amassed any wealth,
he should be made to cough it up. In any case, he should be prosecuted
for all its worth.

Even that isn’t enough. What about the officials of the telecom
ministry? How can they get away scot free? They can’t and they
shouldn’t. From now on, no one should.

The writer is a commentator on social affairs.

Comments:

SN from chennai
Scam of all times. Complete probe needed to link unprecedented money
distribution during elections in TN and 2G scam. Expose the corrupt.

Posted on: Nov 15, 2010 8:33 IST

Sukumar from Hyderabad
Most regional parties function like the D-Company. There is no way
Raja could have made money without the knowledge of DMK top leaders —
in fact Raja might have made very little for himself and the bulk of
the booty would have been taken away by the Karunanidhi family. The
Congress party must be aware of what happened, but this is the price
for taking support from DMK.

Sonia’s faith is her private matter: HC
Rajinder Nagarkoti, TNN, Nov 30, 2010, 01.16am IST

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Tags:Sonia Gandhi|Right To Information|Punjab and Haryana High Court

CHANDIGARH: A division bench of the Punjab and Haryana high court on
Monday dismissed an appeal to seek information under Right to
Information Act on the religion practised by Sonia Gandhi. The bench
comprising Chief Justice Mukul Mudgal and Justice Ranjan Gogoi
dismissed the appeal on whether the registrar general, Census
Operations, is bound to provide details of the religion practised by
the UPA chairperson and her children under the RTI Act.

The appeal was filed by former Haryana DGP PC Wadhwa. While dismissing
it the bench said, ”It is evident that the petitioner is making
efforts to make unjustified inroads into the privacy of said
individuals even if they are public figures. Consequently, the
information provided to the Census Officer cannot be made public.”

The judges said, ”In our view, the provisions of section 15 of the
Census Act, 1948 are not inconsistent with provisions of Section 8(1)
(j) of the RTI Act, 2005 and both can be read harmoniously.
Accordingly, Section 22 of the RTI Act, 2005 will not come into
operation and cannot sustain the pleas of the appellant.

Sonia’s faith is her private matter: HC

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Rajiv (Muscat)
24 mins ago (10:53 AM)

I wonder what the petitioner was upto? The court should have fined at
least one lakh for wasting the time of the court on trivial things as
this one. Sonia is a public figure but that does not mean that she has
to reveal her personal faith to anybody. I respect Sonia Gandhi as a
politician not because she is a christian or Hindu or Congress leader
but because of her attitude to other leaders; Can anybody point a
finger at her for abusing any opposition leaders unnecessarily? She
does criticise others but there is a serenity and dignity about her
which is lacking in many frontline politicians except perhaps one
Vajpayee, Manmohan and Antony. But of course, if I have to choose one
from among a bunch after our Sardar Singhji, I would defenitely go for
Antony or Nitish.
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shruti (del)
24 mins ago (10:53 AM)

my country is losing its head…. how does it matter even if she is a
practising christian and even if her children are christians… they are
still who they are… will you start loving them or hating them if they
say otherwise… until we leave this mentality… and i mean everybody
irrespective of the religion, we can never prosper.
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asrin (Delhi)
25 mins ago (10:52 AM)

What faith one belongs to how does it matter to others. Frivolous
applications under RTI need to be treated with stern action.
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KB (Bhopal)
27 mins ago (10:50 AM)

The census should never have tried to include caste. It will only
strengthen the caste system at a time when we should be working
towards eradicating it. As for Sonia Gandhi’s religion, it shouldn’t
be of concern to anybody other than Sonia herself.
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freshsoul (Dubai)
28 mins ago (10:49 AM)

We follow each and every step of US people, and US people decides
their president on religion basis, when it comes to india we dont want
to talk about. what a hypocrisy ? well sonia gandhi is christian
married to parsi. it is like this. Indira gandhi ( hindu) married to
Parsi guy Feroz gandhi to get Gandhi Tag. and her childern Rajiv
gandhi married to Sonia ( christian) and her childern follows
christianity ( Robert Vadra). daughter got married to christian and
about son may be …..
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Lakshman Singh (New Delhi)
41 mins ago (10:36 AM)

The Casteism was, earlier, a Political System to control and operate
the society smoothely. Ofcourse, it was failed on emergence of other
relegions in comparision ; and the country became slave because of non-
participation of majority of Hindu population. A caste-hindu, even
without any human-value grows as ego-centric to feel himself superior.
Now the system has changed to tackle the people in light of
constitutional human values. Therefore the casteism should go but it
can not be eradicated unless the caste-hindus attain a confidence and
follow honesty because now caste-hindus are in minority as the
democracy is the number game too. Caste-hindus have to start with a
system of social , moral and human values which they lost for fear of
own-survival ; as they are still society controller. They should adopt
the new system of fraternity, liberty and equality as described by the
constitution. Religion is a matter of personal faith. If not than
Islaam is superior to hinduism as to advocate the mass while hinduism
is a system of perpetual exploitation of mass. There is no brotherhood
in hinduism.
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Manish M Vishwakarma (KSA)
51 mins ago (10:26 AM)

Wadhwa ji GOOGLE mae search maro puri Ghandhi family ki kundli mil
jayegi. every body knows Pandit Nehru Hindu, Indira Gandhi married to
Feroz Khan(name changed to Feroz Gandhi), so their sons Rajiv %26
Sanjiv (name changed to Sanjay) must follow father religion,Rajiv
married to Sania (now Sonia), and now their son Raul (now Rahul) &
Bianca (now Priyanka) both must be following father religion or mother
religion….but no body seen any of them visiting any of the places for
worship. no doubt Gandhi family with their work had shadowed the other
part or the relevance of religion or personal misconduct is almost
suppressed. but the complexicity within the family tree has created
complexicity within the nation. which we all are suffering. else sonia
gandhi should not have allowed the caste based census (she is further
dividing the nation),
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guru (CA, US)
54 mins ago (10:23 AM)

One cannot agree with the observations of the court. We have this myth
that faith is private when it is not really all around the world. If
it is so private why would the Indian government ask for it in the
census ? Of course a person has a right to not reveal his faith for
whatever reasons, in which case the census should record that as
private and report it as private. If anybody can say what his or her
faith is , to a census worker what harm comes by revealing the same in
public ? This is just ridiculous. We have every right to know what the
real name in a passport, religion etc of the most powerful person in
India right now.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to guru
26 mins ago (10:51 AM)

Person can choose not to reveal his Race not religion and caste.If
India is a religious country, deep rooted in tradition, why this sham
of hiding religion.Hiding Sonia Gandhi’s religion seems to be some
sort of tussle which judiciary or congress feels would keep them safe
and in business.
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Sanjay (Bangalore)
54 mins ago (10:23 AM)

Although this RTI request does not looks good but those who opposes
and blaming it on politics are doing more damage to this RTI thought.
If asking for faith/religion is immaterial then why gov is asking for
caste in census. How will that benefit the society. If Gov can ask
caste from 1.2 billion people, why not an individual ask for it from
another individual.
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suhail (Delhi)
56 mins ago (10:21 AM)

It is a lenient let off of for this foolish a petitioner. He should be
slapped with a fine for trying to trespass someone’s privacy with
possibly malicious intent.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to suhail
19 mins ago (10:58 AM)

Mr Suhail, can i sue congress or slap the person who comes to my door
for doing caste based census. I feel congress is trespassing my
privacy.If congress and some people here are so much allergic to have
asked religion why someone wants to get one more layer down into
caste.Doe it not show how much thick skinned congress is. Does Sonia
Gandhi reveal her religion when she files her papers to fight
elections or she gets concession there also.I mean what kind of
country we are allergic to ask Sonia Gnadhi some pointed question.Why
is she in public life then.Why is High Court showing bias. Has
judiciary forgot to maintain equality of approach in all spheres.Best
way is to use DONT ASK DONT TELL approach.Dont ask me my religion and
caste when i file any kind of application forms.Just ask my
nationality and domicile.Its not the business of congress and other
leaders to poke me. I have not seen anyone answering this question.

ProudIndian (USA) replies to suhail
35 mins ago (10:42 AM)

What about imposing Jaziya or stoning someone to death? Please enjoy
the religious freedom that the majority has granted.

Kiran (Bangalore)
57 mins ago (10:20 AM)

Then the court should also rule that no leader should publish his
religion or caste since that also is private and also influences the
voters. When will our courts become independent and starts thinking
beyond religion. Can the Judge also let us know why the Govt collects
private information if it does not have any revelance.
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Rahul Joshi (Pune)
1 hr ago (10:16 AM)

Truely, Faith is Someone’s private matter but if you are Public figure
your religion decide’s your future in most of the cases specially in
politics……same thing was happened with Indira Gandhi when she married
with Firoz Khan (Gandhi)and became Muslim but Pandit Nehru (So Called
secular) has opposed that marriage and Firoz Khan has to become Firoz
Gandhi……for His %26 His Wife ‘s political Future………beacuse Nehru knwos
that once Indira remove Hindu tag in her surname she and Nehru’s
family will thrown out of Politics…….
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Rahul Joshi
16 mins ago (11:01 AM)

Indians are so taken in by this Nehru-Gandhi family that Indian’s
never got freedom of thought to think beyond.

Satish Haldankar (India) replies to Rahul Joshi
26 mins ago (10:51 AM)

You are so blinded by your hatred towards the Nehru-Gandhi family and
the Congress that you do not take the elementary step to check out the
facts. Pity you.
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James (Dubai) replies to Rahul Joshi
30 mins ago (10:47 AM)

Feroze Gandhi was a Parsi,not a muslim.Where did you get your
information.If a person wishes to disclose or not disclose their
religion,it should be their decision.When the Govt collects
information for surveys etc,it is not for publication.The results of
the survey may be in the public domain,but not individuals
information.A census taker may inquire about the number of
children,age,income and education of your family.He can not publicise
that Mr X is earning this much with a family of Y no of persons
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ali (dubai) replies to Rahul Joshi
51 mins ago (10:26 AM)

Dear Rahul, its not firoz khan its fireoz gandhi only and he is
parsi.just to have a gandhi tag she married him.
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Rahul Joshi replies to ali
18 mins ago (10:59 AM)

Friend this is the rumor spred by Nehru Family that he was Parasi….but
he was Muslim who was converted by Nehru %26 Gandhi Family claims to
be secular……..

Niranjan (Bengaluru) replies to ali
30 mins ago (10:47 AM)

You are wrong
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ali replies to Niranjan
7 mins ago (11:10 AM)

Dear Niranjan, just google it man for your own knowldage. He was
Parsi.

Indian (USA) replies to ali
33 mins ago (10:44 AM)

Dear Ali – It is Feroze Khan – son of Nawab Khan. If that is not true,
please publish the name of Feroz’s father

Indian (India)
1 hr ago (10:09 AM)

This woman has no religion.She is a Christian(missionary) and the
Gandhi family roots are Muslim..Now wonder…why they are so “secular”.
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Satish Haldankar (India) replies to Indian
18 mins ago (10:59 AM)

If you had the time, you would first check out the facts and then
post. It does not seem so, as you are so busy spreading lies, untruths
and falsehoods. Most Indians are secular irrespective of their
religion, hence your final conclusion makes no sense whatsoever. Pity
you for warbled thinking.

Km (India) replies to Indian
46 mins ago (10:31 AM)

You are absolutely ignorant %26 should not comment if you do not know
the facts, Indira gandhi was married to a Parsi hence her children
Rajiv & Sanjay both are actually Parsis!!!
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Raj (Mumbai) replies to Km
30 mins ago (10:47 AM)

She married a muslim who changed his name and converted in to a parsi,
check your facts first and yes if you need more info please refer to
google, and you tube!!!!
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Indian (USA) replies to Km
31 mins ago (10:46 AM)

Not really. Feroz’s mother was born Parsi but had converted to Islam
before she got married to a Nawab Khan who fathered Feroze. As you
say, you should not comment unless you know the facts. Name Gandhi was
given by the so called Mahatma as people then would resent a Brahmin
marryng a Muslim.
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tom (Mumbai)
1 hr ago (10:07 AM)

we have to use to rti to punish the corrupt and book all the people
for doing all heinous crime, our country is the among the most corrupt
country in the world.but we have one more Haryana DGP who is after
petty things like caste and religion. He should have filed a case in
Rathore case when he was let out on bail for murdering the innocent
kid. are all senior govt official narrow and corrupt minded like cwg
scam, 2G scam, Adarsh Hsg, please nail them instead of indulging in
petty things like caste and religion
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Vik (Del)
1 hr ago (10:00 AM)

Some idiots are always caught up with this religion thing. Does
someone catch hold of u in the market and ask u your religion. The RTI
act is for public benefit. I do not know what public good comes out of
knowing her religion. Im sure this is some BJP stooge. What if she is
a practising christian. Or what if she is an atheist. We Indians have
no civic sense of when to stop interfering in others lives. She is a
public figure but her religion is not in the public domain
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Amit (India) replies to Vik
25 mins ago (10:52 AM)

Dear Vik, You should become more aware than be naive about such
things. I read your comments below also, you seem to live in your own
innocent naive world. Religion is important of public figures
especially when they wield the power in a country and more so when she
is Sonia Gandhi, whose family publicly portrays that they are Hindus
to get votes whereas there are strong reports suggesting that they
practice Christianity and help the missionaries indulged in induced
and forced conversions. What’s the harm in declaring their true
credentials. As public figures and wielding maximum power they need to
come clean and truthful with the people of India. It is important and
critical integrity issue not just a matter of faith. And for your
information, in reference to your US remark, in the US, faith is very
very important as much as that Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley could not
have become Governors if they had not converted to Christianity. Till
date, for people of USA, it is the first requirement in their mind,
for a person to fight for a public office. Such small things reveal
the big games played by any fraud people and their real intentions. We
have a right to know the antecedents of people in politics. Be more
aware to make our democracy stronger.

Bharti (CA) replies to Vik
1 hrs ago (10:17 AM)

It does not seems to be BJP’s involvement but congress is going
through bad phase at this time. BJP will not be benefited out of this
now. Religion practice is entirely a personal matter. Do not
polyticise such issues.
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ASHOK (USA)
1 hr ago (09:58 AM)

WOW FAITH PRIVATE MATTER. CASTE PUBLIC MATTER CONGRESS WANTS CASTE
MENTIONED ON CENSUS PAPER
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Vik (Del) replies to ASHOK
59 mins ago (10:18 AM)

Bhai US pahuch gaye par akal nahi aayi.. When the census man come to
sonias house she will tell her religion and caste (if she wants). No
one is forcing u to reveal anything in the census, its voluntary. I
thought you would know this. The question is what that stupid DGP
wants to do with her religion.
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ASHOK replies to Vik
36 mins ago (10:41 AM)

Bhai, fir bhi dil hai hindustani. I meant that it became possible only
with the explicit support of the CONgress party (plus LALU-MALU gang)
that census paper would have a column for caste. Why can’t India move
forward; judge a person by his/her financial conditions, education,
location (such as remote hill areas or NE states which require special
considerations), service to the nation (such as serving military,
police or para-military) and criminal record. Why bring caste or
religion into picture to feed Lalu, Malu,Ramu,Maya,Mamta or Karuna.

jaiprakash (dammam) replies to Vik
37 mins ago (10:40 AM)

Even if you apply for a job or trying for a seat in any educational
institution,you have to fill the coloumn of religion and caste.why not
for sonia who holds the highest position of ruling our country.we have
every right to know her religion.
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bsr (kanpur)
1 hr ago (09:38 AM)

no need to give answers for fools questions, every body have right to
choose / follow any religion, what to do with religion.
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James Sebastian Sebastian (Manali)
1 hr ago (09:33 AM)

The ones devoid of action will try to know and divide people based on
faith. If these people who file frivolous petitions started doing
something good for the country, help a poor man or to expose a
corruption. If PC Wadhwa as DGP in his tenure did some hard and
patriotic work, Haryana would have a better sex ratio and less honour
killings as of today.
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Indian (India) replies to James Sebastian Sebastian
1 hr ago (10:10 AM)

First stop all your conversion activities and then talk.
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Guptan Veemboor (Bangalore)
1 hr ago (09:28 AM)

In reply to ‘zam zam cola’ and ‘nimbupani’..Bef ore I start to reply I
want to say that I prefer ‘nimbu pani’ any time to any colas whether
it is Cocoa or Pepsi or even Zam Zam if such a cola is available in
the market. Now to the point. I am also very much against this Caste
and Religion columns in all government forms and records. It is not
these Cogress walahs who are directly responsible. It is they who
started it with the blessing of their ultimate human deity who it is
you make your own guess as I do not want to draw the wrath of many a
persons. Instead of making any sort of reservations on the basis of
income it was made on the basis of caste and it can never be removed.
We are stuck with it till the deluge when everything will be
destroyed. The caste system has been fixed with araldite now. I am
wondering how the yadavs are OBCs. In the mythologies they were all
having the same rights as anyone. Krishna himself was a ‘yadav’. In a
‘Raja Sadass’ sage Valmiki was not given any lower status. And these
people claim reservations claiming themselves they are lower caste.
This is blatant misuse of the faulty policy.
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Sachidanand Shetty (Dubai) replies to Guptan Veemboor
1 hr ago (09:47 AM)

Why the name Zam Zam has been given to Cola? Zam Zam is the purity
water all human beings get from Macca, first being generated to give
water to Ismail by his mother Hajira when he was crying for water in
Desereted Area
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ConcernedIndian (Delhi)
1 hr ago (09:24 AM)

Sonia Maino was an Italian by birth and a Christian in faith. She wore
Western dresses, underwear and eat pizza/spaghetti. Since marrying an
Indian named Raji Gandhi, she converted her religion to Hindu, renamed
herself Sonia Gandhi and naturalized an Indian. Now she wears sarees
with no underwear and eat dhal bath. To prove that she is an Indian,
you can uplift her saree to see if she wore underwear. If so, then she
is Italian and Christian. If not, then she is Indian and Hindu. Got it
right……Jai Hind.
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Abdul Latheef (bangalore)
2 hrs ago (09:11 AM)

A Big Fool is Haryana DGP PC Wadhwa. and other bunch of fools wasting
the time of SC judges and delaying other cases.
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Arun (Pune)
2 hrs ago (08:47 AM)

In india Hindu, Scristians%26Muslims,have good relation and respect
for each other.The real peoblem is Political Parties who devide people
into various religions for their vote Banks.Aam Adami always respect
others religion.Parties particulary Samajwadi,RJD(No more exting after
debacle in Bihar)are deviding muslims with their provokative speech
and statements. BJP and Congress are also adopting same tactises.
People want only progress and honest Govt.So that they can live
peacefully.
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Peace Peace Peace (India) replies to Arun
25 mins ago (10:52 AM)

Nobel thoughts. This is the only we Indian’s can progress and can
become super power. Otherwise we will west all our talent and energy
in fighting only.

abhinay (mumbai)
2 hrs ago (08:42 AM)

She is definitely a Christian becoz Rajiv Gandhi had converted himself
to christianity to marry this mad cow Sonia..!!
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to abhinay
1 hr ago (10:15 AM)

I am sure she is christian catholic but why High Court is feeling shy
and asking us not to ask,since when High Court started taking sides.We
write religion,caste in every govt form in India and not caste based
census is approved by the same party the religion of whose leader is
just being queried.Does Judiciary helping to keep some secrets intact.
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Cola Jam (Nagpur) replies to zam zam cola
17 mins ago (11:00 AM)

Yes, when religion of Obama can be an imporatanr thing for americans
why not for us in India of Sonia.She is most powerful lady and need to
be scutinized by countrymen.

Rohit (kolkata)
2 hrs ago (08:25 AM)

What is wrong in seeking to know the religion of a potential leader??
every Leader in every country discloses it it is only here in India
that we want to cover it…wonder why ?? perhaps because the people
involved are shy or embarressed ….. We the people have a right to know
the religious background of our ‘leaders’
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Sharat (Bangalore) replies to Rohit
1 hr ago (09:45 AM)

Dude, please dont represent ‘the people’ here. Whatever you want, talk
as an individual.
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Anjana (Hyderabad) replies to Rohit
1 hr ago (09:41 AM)

No you dont. What’s next? What does she eat for breakfast?
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Secular India (India) replies to Rohit
2 hrs ago (09:13 AM)

@Rohit, One must understand the intention of the one who seeks to
know. In a country like India where politics is so sensitive, it is
not merely the religion of a leader,it is threat to oppositions. They
will use it against them to bring them down. It is “more than meets
the eye”.

S Madhavan (Mumbai)
2 hrs ago (08:24 AM)

Yes.Religion is a private matter.However Sonia Gandhi and her family
performed Arya samaj type rites just before her filing Nominations
before the Loksabha polls.How does one interpret this?
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shruti (del) replies to S Madhavan
36 mins ago (10:41 AM)

don’t interpret it, why can’t we keep religion separate. why must we
include it in everything. then we wonder why the west is doing so
well. separate church from state.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to S Madhavan
1 hrs ago (10:17 AM)

Let HC interpret it in an unbiased manner.Probably congress likes to
keep some secrets to keep interest of people in dynasty and stopping
it from becoming irrelevant.
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Amit (Mumbai)
3 hrs ago (08:13 AM)

The court is wrong to have dismissed this petition. The law is there
precisely to avoid such situations. Such information about any and all
individuals, regardless of their social status, is LEGALLY within
public domein. The sheer fact that someone would want to hide this
information from the public, implies that there is something shady
about whatever they are doing.
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george s (kerala)
3 hrs ago (08:00 AM)

faith is a personal matter. i am a Christian by religion but
culturally i feel like a hindu. i participate in hindu festivals with
my friends and i also follow some hindu practices, which some say are
non Christian. I still do it because its my personal choice and i dont
like anybody telling me what i should believe.
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shruti (del) replies to george s
34 mins ago (10:43 AM)

exactly, even most hindus visit churches, we remove our shoes while
doing so, god is god… not allah or krishna or jesus…. how can your
maker be different from my maker

Kaly (India) replies to george s
2 hrs ago (08:43 AM)

I do agree with u…we hindu love Jesus as u r loving him…
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Naveed (USA)
3 hrs ago (07:51 AM)

I want to know the religion of Narendra Modi, Advani and other mass
murders in India. That would be more interesting discussion.
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ASHOK (USA) replies to Naveed
53 mins ago (10:24 AM)

Pakistani rogue army is the only mass murder alive and still kicking
its own citizens and collecting blood money from USA. Remember geno-
cide of 3 million fellow citizens in 1971 in East Pakistan theater now
called Bangladesh? I want to know the religion of Punjabi Pakistan
army, General Niazi, Tikka Khan, the butcher of Balochistan and Bengal
and YAHYA KHAN.
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trialbyfire (Chennai) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (09:06 AM)

Naveed don’t you want to know the religion of mass murderers like
Gheelani, Dawood Ibrahim, Tiger Memon, and other mass murderers. Makes
for an equally interesting discussion.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (08:55 AM)

I know the religion of Geelani,owaisi,mirwaiz,lone and your brothers
naveed.
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Sanjay (Delhi) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (08:48 AM)

Let us also extend the list by adding – Kasab, Geelani, Arundhati Roy,
Mirwaiz, Lone and ask them their religion.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Sanjay
58 mins ago (10:19 AM)

Their religion i am sure the High Court will tell without RTI

Kaly (India) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (08:41 AM)

What faith is praticed by people of Kashmir who killed lots of Hindu
pandits from the valley…
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dee (canada) replies to Naveed
2 hrs ago (08:35 AM)

same religion as your forefathers
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PSG (Canada) replies to dee
1 hr ago (10:13 AM)

Perfact one Dee. Anything else Naveed?
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to dee
2 hrs ago (08:54 AM)

nice reply dee,naveed must have got it now.If not then he is fooling
himself and others.
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Dave (Delhi) replies to dee
2 hrs ago (08:53 AM)

You mean Modi, Advani %26 others are Muslims! Just making sure.
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Lokesh HK (hyderabad) replies to Dave
1 hr ago (10:04 AM)

Actually they are hindus forcibly converted to muslims.
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Amit (Mumbai) replies to Naveed
3 hrs ago (08:16 AM)

They are LEGALLY Hindus; one may disagree with them on many things,
but their information is at least public. This is exactly the
information being sought about Sonia Gandhi and family; and there is
nothing wrong with wanting national leaders to come clean on the
matter.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Amit
31 mins ago (10:46 AM)

And we see how people take the debate to some other plane,sure sign of
dementia in some people.Simple question how can HC prevent people from
knowing one’s faith(practising or non practising).If that needs to be
private,why govt of India wants us to reveal
ourreligion,caste,subcasteeverytime we fill out forms.I am not sure
what concession if any Sonia Gandhi gets from election commission for
not revealing her faith when she files her papers for elections. Can
HC facilitate the process of knowing which faith Rajiv Gandhi used to
follow was he atheist.The leaders who want to form a secular society
should be very forthcoming about themselves in public.This shroud of
secrecy is like backstabbing the public. People of Andhra Pradesh
voted for YSR as CM.Andhra electorate must not be knowing that YSR was
a practising Christian. “Reddy’s parents were devout Christian and he
was buried according to Christian rites. He had also visited Bethlehem
and other holy Christian cities in Israel twice. Although Reddy was a
third generation Christian, he was also projected as a “devotee” of
the Hindu deity Venkateswara.” The point which i am trying to make is
if High Court is lending some credibility to Congress’ fear that by
knowing the truth about Sonia Gandhi’s faith congress will not be able
to put forth the dynasty with same mass appeal then judiciary is
insulting Indians and Hindus.Sonia Gandhi is Indian citizen first then
all Indian people should know her faith(husband’s or hers).

Subramanian (Salem) replies to Naveed
3 hrs ago (08:13 AM)

Your religion is very obvious….
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IndoAmerican (USA) replies to Naveed
3 hrs ago (08:12 AM)

The answer – They are Hindus. I want to know the religions of
pepetrators of 9/11 massacre in New York that killed over 3,000 of my
compatriots. Of course, my govt. not being Hindu nor pseudo-secular
retaliated and taught those guys a lesson they will never forget. The
lesson still continues – not over yet.
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srinivas (usa)
3 hrs ago (07:50 AM)

It is not about Sonia here. Practising a religion is a personal matter
and using RTI to get the info is abusing the RTI. How did this joker
become a DGP in the first place? People who have no respect for
private and personal matters will waste public money and resources for
no useful purpose. Ratan Tata was dragged into news recently because
of such jokers only.
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shruti (del) replies to srinivas
33 mins ago (10:44 AM)

well said

Sabki Maru (Culcatta) replies to srinivas
2 hrs ago (08:54 AM)

Totally, agree. What was this fellow doing as DGP??? How did he enter
Police services…paying or faking certificates.
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Ash (Sydney)
3 hrs ago (07:36 AM)

Politicians have no religion except money and power.
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Logic Induction (India) replies to Ash
3 hrs ago (08:02 AM)

There is no comparison between a stalwart like Sonia Gandhi and
minions like Madhu Koda, Gadkari, Modi, Sushima, Advani.

Viswanath (Mysore)
3 hrs ago (07:24 AM)

It was a wonderful opportunity for sonia to come clean on her
religious background. The HC should have used the occasion to get the
details about her faith, especially as the person is suspected to be a
party to Vatican interests to evangelise the country’s majority.
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shruti (del) replies to Viswanath
29 mins ago (10:48 AM)

come clean? what do u mean by clean… what answer would be acceptable
to your sensibilities? where do u get your facts from? evangelise the
majority? has she ever preached christanity to you? and even if people
do so, it is a fundamental right. no one is stopping you from
preaching your religion peacefully… but then again you will probably
be still warped in your lingayat, gowda etc etc ideology. before u
blame me or call me pseudo- secular… i am a very proud hindu but u
sound like a pseudo- intellectual

zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Viswanath
1 hr ago (10:08 AM)

I agree with you HC has no right to preach us that you cannot ask her
what is her faith.The same judiciary does not intervene when congress
tries to get information about caste of people under false pretext
that it will be used for development.Was Judiciary sleeping at that
time.All people (including the editor who does not publish my
comments) who just say that religion is private keep quiet when some
one is poking more to get caste info.What is more criminal asking
religion or going a step further and asking caste,sub caste and then
we talk about making caste irrelevant.Can you make religion
irrelevant.

Patrick (Mangalore) replies to Viswanath
1 hr ago (09:30 AM)

Viswanath, Grow up

Ved (Mysore) replies to Viswanath
2 hrs ago (09:01 AM)

%26 how do u know this ? Do u still believe what the media feeds
you ???
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shaam (usa) replies to Viswanath
2 hrs ago (08:32 AM)

you r a typical mysorean. come out of koopa manduka.
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musing (us)
4 hrs ago (06:42 AM)

If people are public figures, who can sway the fate of a nation and
claim/insinuate that they profess a particular faith. Then, they need
to come out and declare that openly, participate in puja’s etc…. After
all, what are they hiding? Or, afraid of? I have seen Indira Gandhi go
to temples and pray to Krishna and Siva! Never Sonia / Rahul? Need an
answer..
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Macha Digambar (Mumbai)
4 hrs ago (06:38 AM)

Since she is a public figure people have the right to know her faith.
India being a Hindu majority country and she being christian, she
cannot cheat people by wearing saree and projecting a hindu
appearance. But all know that she is a christian and goes to church
and prays to jesus chryste.
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faith (Singapore) replies to Macha Digambar
1 hr ago (09:19 AM)

@Macha, U seem to be implying that only Hindus can rule India. You
equate wearing saree to Hinduism. Which church does she go to? How do
you know who she prays to?

Problem (India) replies to Macha Digambar
2 hrs ago (09:13 AM)

so what is your problem.

Logic Induction (India) replies to Macha Digambar
3 hrs ago (08:03 AM)

No, faith is private. Machali we are a democracy not a ghati machali
market.
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Universal Energy (India)
4 hrs ago (06:24 AM)

India just started caste based census.how would officer come to know
somebody’s caste if he or she can not question his or her caste or
religion ?I suppose officer is going to use magician to know
somebody’s caste.
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aatish (delhi)
4 hrs ago (06:20 AM)

hey faith is money
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Indian (Delhi)
5 hrs ago (06:15 AM)

Is India not secular or pretend to be secular? RTI is good but should
it be used in this case, i.e. without any exemption clause? Sonia
Maino Gandhi is an Italian and a Christian by birth. But by man-made
laws as with all countries in the world, she had used Indian laws to
change her nationality and religion. Is that not allowed in India ?
Now, she is Indian but runs Italian blood. She is a HIndu who gives
offerings to gods/goddesses idols, rats and monkey dieties daily at
home or in temples but she can also visit and pray in churches. Is
that a problem ? Same with her children who could also claimed Italian
nationality but opted to be Indians. Is that also a problem ? They are
also HIndus who worship idols and dieties at home and in temples.
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Gilliana (Australia)
5 hrs ago (05:53 AM)

Sonia is a Roman Catholic like yours truly.
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Velayuthan Nair (Montreal)
5 hrs ago (05:32 AM)

I was not born in India, but I am proud of my Indian heritage and the
Hindu religion I practice.Sonia married an Indian and came to India.
That she took her own time to become a citizen is her own
business.Greedy ,narrow minded Indian Congressmen foisted her as their
leader,. because she carried the Ghandi name.Indian voters elected
her.When she turned down the Prime Ministers chair, I remember Indians
turned out in large numbers urging her to reconsider.She did not ask
for all this.That she has remained in India is enough for me respect
her as an Indian. You may call me an outside Idiot,but there are are
many people of Indian origin ,like me ,who are Presidents, Prime
Minsters ,Cabinert ministers, StateGovernors and Governor General ,in
other countries, some bestowed with Lordship and Knighthood.Their
Indian heritage is highlighted by their body colour, their names and
the Indian culture that they practice.A persons religion is a private
matter,between him/her and God.To me APJ Abdul Kalam is a Great
Indian,AR Rahman was a Hindu before becoming a Muslim,and he is a
patriotic Indian.Annie Besant was a great freedom fighter, but she was
not an Indian.If you do not like Sonia, do not vote her in.We do not
gain anything by bad mouthing anorther person.India is a unique
country and it will be unique till the end of time.Jai Hind.
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Indian (India) replies to Velayuthan Nair
1 hr ago (09:36 AM)

Well said nair…

Subin (chennai) replies to Velayuthan Nair
1 hr ago (09:24 AM)

Mate, i have not read such a sensible post till date. You have aired
what i wanted to. If we are cribbing and calling her anti India, why
the heck we gave her govt another chance. Why are we trying to point
fingers at her. Did she or her family publicly defame any religion.
What is her fault, that she was in love with Rajiv Ghandhi and that
she chose to live with him here in India and see her husband killed
and still be in India and raise her kids. Is this her fault. Just
imagine the plight of Congress before she joined and soon after she
joined they came to power consecutively. Billions voted for her and
her government. She could have led a private life.We dragged her and
then make her listen all these. BTW do you all think she is ruling the
congress, do you think it is possible when leaders like Pranab,
Chidambaram, Gulam Nabi are at the helm. It is a pity we are trying to
balme somebody, have we even seen her linked to any controversy, she
may be suffering pain for years all in silence. Lets give a thought.
we are ready to forgive all those numerous corrupt politicians, who
have been eating us away inch by inch, cant we spare a thought.
Remember when we go out we expect the whole world to respect us, aint…
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Sultan Ali (Canada)
5 hrs ago (05:31 AM)

Sonia’s faith is her private and personal matter, period. End of
discussion.
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Facts (world) replies to Sultan Ali
5 hrs ago (06:06 AM)

A Person has a faith or None. Only terrorists or persons with dubious
intent hide their faith to masquander . If faith stands in between
duties then such people should opt out of such duties. For example
would they accept her as head of a religious ministry?
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Ashok (Delhi)
6 hrs ago (05:10 AM)

Indians in USA converted to Christianity to get political
acceptability. Ex. Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal. Both won’t own
Sikhism/Hinduism as their parents religion. Jindal even refused media
questions about his India/Hindu connections. Even Obama has to
repeatedly state that he is practicing christian to get elected. Still
many Christians in USA view him with doubt as he is not full christian
(father a Muslim..). That being the case, any one who mock Indians in
the name of secularism who want to know Sonia’s roots are plain
stupid. Religion does matter, as it is big part of nation’s identity/
culture. India will not be India if Hindus are in minority. Go to
Pakistan and see what happens! Long ago it was part of India, until
Hindus were reduced to minority. Now we have western funded
missionaries who use UPA, media and Maoists to convert/eliminate Hindu
interests. Many nationalist Sanatana Dharma followers want to know if
Sonia is part of this setup to uproot India of its ancient glorious
past of Sanatana Dharma values. Just watch Subramanya Swami’s speech
on Sonia/ Rahul on you tube. The details are scary for nations future
and national interests. What is there to hide when she allowed caste
count by Govt. to divide Hindus? Another missionary demand fulfilled!
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Guptan Veemboor (Bangalore)
6 hrs ago (04:53 AM)

This is blatant misuse of RTI act. What faith one follows is very much
one’s personal choice and no one else should seek it. It does not
affect other persons in anyway.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Guptan Veemboor
5 hrs ago (06:07 AM)

My caste is my personal thing congress has no right to ask my caste
and religion in census.These congresswale want people to reveal their
caste in census so that they can hammer out their dirty plans to
create caste specific votebank and Sonia’s religion should not be
asked why?
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nimbupani (US) replies to Guptan Veemboor
6 hrs ago (05:15 AM)

Then why ask fellow indians to give their caste %26 religion. What’s
harm in telling her faith unless you have something to hide and malice
behind it
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rajX (Restroom)
6 hrs ago (04:30 AM)

If common people have to note their religion in government related
applications, why not Sonia talk about which religion she is
practicing? Does she think that Indians are small minded that they
would react badly if she said that she is a catholic? She has to
remember that the same Indian people gave her the vote fully knowing
that she is not Indian by birth. Maybe she has not understood the
Indian people yet despite living here for so long. Its sad.
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richard dias dias (Chembur, Bombay) replies to rajX
4 hrs ago (06:24 AM)

Still you have not convinced me why she has to tell the world about
the religion she practices? Is there something called privacy in this
RTI Raj?
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hrr (bangalore) replies to richard dias dias
2 hrs ago (09:16 AM)

It is the right of the citizen to know the religion of the queen or
king or the leader of the citizen as the leaders insist by law to
sbmit their ientity including the caste. Wmat is wrong in reavealing
it unless it is to be concealed for national?interest.

Bhagwat Goel (DLF Gurgaon) replies to richard dias dias
3 hrs ago (07:19 AM)

Everyone knows she is Catholic Christian and converted Rajiv before
marrying him, Their marraige later in Hindu style was to cheat people.
She goes by false/illegal name Sonia to cheat 110 Crore Hindus into
believing that she is Hindu. Faith is personal so as practice is
concerned otherwise it has to be public in India.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to richard dias dias
4 hrs ago (06:49 AM)

Congress has no right to ask me my caste in census,if they cannot
reveal her religion.Is she something special or supernatural that
lesser souls like us have to reveal our caste for congress to make
plans as per votebank.Its like giving keys in hands of Sonia so that
she can plan and her cards would be closed.Highly unjustified.
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rajX replies to richard dias dias
4 hrs ago (06:46 AM)

Do you believe that Sonia has more rights than any other Indian,
Richard? If the govt is asking common Indians for their religion, why
not Sonia indians about her religion? What is she afraid of?
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arvind (goa) replies to rajX
1 hr ago (09:46 AM)

are you little slow? when government conducted census it did record
religion of sonia gandhi. thats why a person wanted to know it through
census department using rti. so while government asked for other
persons religion, i can’t get that information about anyone else.
there is difference . i hope you got it.

Insane (ranchi) replies to rajX
3 hrs ago (07:41 AM)

i dont know in which job do u hav to mention that if you r a hindu or
muslim or anybody else..this is totlally ridiculous..when half of the
country is forced to christianise n do u mention their intentions…or
if sum1 chooses sum other religion is it necessary for public
scrutiny..

arvind (goa) replies to rajX
5 hrs ago (05:19 AM)

nobody asked her, maybe you should.

elihu yakub (india)
6 hrs ago (04:20 AM)

Politicians do not have any religion, they only know to exploit
religion……..all politicians..be it Sonia, Manmohan, Advani, Mayawati,
Modi…..worship one God, that is MONEY and POWER !!!
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M.N.S.Nampoothiripad (UK)
7 hrs ago (04:07 AM)

In that case why the census department is asking everybody their
relegion? It is included in the census because it is important for the
country. The information must be in public domain. Can she go to US
and become US president with the ease with which she became the
defacto CEO of India without disclosing her religion?

hopeguru (delhi)
8 hrs ago (02:48 AM)

Stupid Question ! Every body knew her faith, to loot the nation. Where
does the money go in 2 g spectrum and CWG games. Every body knew
that . Raja and Kalmadi were mere small agantes to cllect hafta from
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shyaam.chandra (bhendibazar) replies to hopeguru
3 hrs ago (07:50 AM)

you are bang on target, keep it up
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the pirate (Antilia) replies to hopeguru
3 hrs ago (07:37 AM)

only thing she worships are power and money!
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shyaam chandra (bhendibazar) replies to hopeguru
5 hrs ago (05:26 AM)

the entire clan has worshiped only money and power, ever since the
Independance.
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Subbu (Chennai)
8 hrs ago (02:44 AM)

While the personal freedom to practice any religion of choice is a
fundamental right, public oriented activities should reflect true
secularism and not pseudo-secularism as practiced by several political
outfits in this country,
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facts (World) replies to Subbu
5 hrs ago (06:09 AM)

Only terrorists or persons with dubious intent hide their faith to
masquander . If faith stands in between duties then such people should
opt out of such duties. For example would they accept her as head of a
religious ministry?
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Ameesh (USA) replies to Subbu
7 hrs ago (03:20 AM)

Can you define pseudosecularism?
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ravi (Mumbai) replies to Ameesh
5 hrs ago (06:17 AM)

pseudosecuralism is appeasement of minority to say allah-ho akbar is
secular, but to say jai shri ram is communal. That is pseudo-
secularism
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Facts (world) replies to Ameesh
5 hrs ago (06:14 AM)

Terrorists who hide their religion in order to get their obstacles out
of their way.
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vm (bj) replies to Ameesh
5 hrs ago (05:45 AM)

Muslim league in Kerala claiming to be a secular party and remaining
in UDF fighting against the so-called communal parties.
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vikram (charlotte) replies to vm
3 hrs ago (07:28 AM)

“Muslim league in Kerala claiming to be a secular party” – This is
indeed pseudoSecularism.
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Ameesh
6 hrs ago (05:04 AM)

Pseudo secularism is a term used for those who want to know my caste
through caste based census but don’t want to reveal religious identity
of its leader for masses. good example: congress party
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vamsi (US) replies to Ameesh
6 hrs ago (04:58 AM)

in short pseudo secularism is harping on those communities on the
basis of religion or castes but in the process trying to appear as
secular by granting quotas or other free bees to some communities. It
is the apeasement of a section of a communitiy however small or big
because it tends to have a collective voice. If one party tries to
apease a majority, the other tries to apease in terms of caste and
minorities.
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RKNEC (Ndjamena) replies to vamsi
3 hrs ago (07:43 AM)

typical RSS definition

Lokesh HK (hyderabad) replies to RKNEC
1 hr ago (10:10 AM)

True,but it is truth.

rancho (US) replies to Ameesh
6 hrs ago (04:35 AM)

congress ! name is enough to describe.
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ravi (UK)
9 hrs ago (01:50 AM)

She is free to practice any faith, but its wrong to fool by pretending
to follow one faith in public and follow other faith in private.
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shyaam chandra (bhendibazar) replies to ravi
3 hrs ago (08:07 AM)

now I know what has caused England to be on constant slump.

Sultan Ali (Canada) replies to ravi
5 hrs ago (05:35 AM)

Are you serious? Are you really in UK, England or Uttar-Khand, India?
Inside your home, practice any religion. Outside the home, just be a
good human being and that’s enough.
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Renuka Mugli (Hosur) replies to ravi
5 hrs ago (05:22 AM)

When Obama had to clarify what her faith is, why is Sonia not willing
to disclose her faith openly? I live in Karnataka and I was denied
Engineering seat after getting 92% marks becuase I had put HINDU as my
religion whereas my classmate who got 84% got in becuase he had put
MUSLIM as his religion. So when India openly discriminates based on
religion (preferring one over other), then why should the leaders like
Sonia be not even questioned? I am sure she if afraid that if the
rural Indian find out that she is Catholic, they might not vote for
her..hence the lie continues.
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Sus (Germany) replies to ravi
7 hrs ago (04:15 AM)

She has her right, to practice her faith. Still, should she not
respect other religion and its practices. Especially as a leader, wenn
she attends one or the other religous fuctions. It’s not pretending,
gentleness of repecting others.
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Sam (b’lore) replies to ravi
8 hrs ago (02:46 AM)

Thank GOD u r in UK… Pls we don’t want Idiot’s like u in our country
so settle there….
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Sam
6 hrs ago (05:08 AM)

sam what is your caste. Did you take caste based census which congress
party made compulsory. I guess i will have to use RTI to know it.Sonia
is RTI proof but High Court will allow me to know your details.Thank
God RTI works for not so famous people.High 5 to Indian judiciary.

rajX (Restroom) replies to Sam
6 hrs ago (04:27 AM)

Sam, if you go the way you are going, your children will feel like
foreigners in their on country of India. Don’t let people from outside
make you hate your own countries culture. It will end up bad for you.
Check out the history of places where this has happened.
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Mahesh (Japan) replies to Sam
7 hrs ago (04:14 AM)

Why Sam you are so upset with Ravi. Why just because you are following
Christian faith so you don’t want to hear anything against it. When
you say ‘our country’ remember that is because 850 million Hindus have
not persecuted you for following your christian faith. So please be
tolerant.

sunny (Canada) replies to Sam
8 hrs ago (03:08 AM)

Offcourse there are enough idiots like you you don’t want competition
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bmahesh (greneda) replies to Sam
8 hrs ago (03:04 AM)

donot show your idiotic nature by posting narrow minded replies
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SecularIndian (Bihar) replies to ravi
8 hrs ago (02:21 AM)

you are an RSS fanatic it seems..
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to SecularIndian
6 hrs ago (05:10 AM)

What is RSS fanatic.Dont i have the right to know the caste and
religion of any person in public when those scums want to know my
caste and religion through census.I feel you are a pseudosecularist
duffer from Bihar who licks wounds of defeated congress.
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Hindustani (BC Canada)
9 hrs ago (01:41 AM)

You Indians are narrow minded. What does it matter what religion an
individual practices. It could be Hinduism, Islam, Christianity,Sikh
or some one could even be an atheist. It’s none of our business.Please
do not force on some one to follow what you are practising. India is a
sovereign nation.
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Tacky (USA) replies to Hindustani
3 hrs ago (08:11 AM)

Dude, In your Canada, the faith of any leader is a big issue and it is
a major criteria for that leaders election. For that matter, almost
all countries including US, UK, Japan, Muslim countries, Germany have
the same thing. India, on other hand does not have this issue at
national level. Else, Sonia/MMS/APJ would have never been where they
are. Yet, you blindly call Indians narrow minded. Ask Barack Obama
about religion and politics. I am sure he will give you the befitting
answer. And yes, I am in US, so I know better. One cannot even be an
attorney general if the religion is not christian.
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Anand (Australia) replies to Hindustani
3 hrs ago (08:08 AM)

Much as we would like to accept and believe what you said, even here
in Australia, the current PM had a tough time convincing the people
that being an agnostic (or atheist), she can serve as the PM. It is
sad but true that religion has irrevocably entered politics
everywhere!

rajX (Restroom) replies to Hindustani
6 hrs ago (04:36 AM)

Ahhhh.. Haaaaaaa.. I now understand. Maybe in Canada where this person
lives, they call him/her respectfully as “you Indian”. So its not a
surprise that this person is calling us ” you Indians”. If a person is
treated like cr*p for a long time, they treat others like cr*p. Maybe
this person treated like cr*p in canada.
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rajX (Restroom) replies to Hindustani
6 hrs ago (04:24 AM)

A Idiot Hindustani from Canada who begins his post by calling hi/her
self and their Indian family idiots. Maybe you should not visit a
idiotic India to see your family?
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Dushyant (US) replies to Hindustani
8 hrs ago (03:15 AM)

Sir, you call yourself Hindustani then start your sentence with “You
Indians are narrow minded” painting a populace of 1.2B with the same
brush as if this petition was filed and signed by each and every
Indian. Average Indian is too busy in pursuit of his own happiness to
care who follows what religion. Please make your point without being
patronizing to you fellow citizens.
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Indrani Ganguly (Brisbane Australia) replies to Hindustani
8 hrs ago (03:01 AM)

Agree that a person’s religion is their private business as long as
they don’t harm anyone. What about all the furor in the US about Obama
being a closet Muslim?
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Indrani Ganguly
5 hrs ago (05:33 AM)

What business congress has to ask for my caste through census when it
cannot reveal identity of its leader.We have many closet christians in
India with Hindu names in public life.The whole problem is judiciary
should have guts to stops caste based census put forward by congress
before telling Indian public that we don’t have right to know the
religious leanings of its leader.Does judiciary want RTI to work
selectively.It does not harm sonia gandhi if she tells that to public.
I came to know YSR( ex CM od andhra pradesh) was a christian,did it
harm him he was chosen by same people who were of different
religion.Judiciary should not have differnt yardsticks.
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SG Sak (USA) replies to Indrani Ganguly
6 hrs ago (04:36 AM)

Good one! These Indians living n the West are so eager and ready to
preach to their motherland, but they have their tail between their
legs – they don’t even stop and wonder how screwed up the rest of the
world as well. At the macro level, on an average, human beings around
the world are the same.

AMAR (india) replies to Hindustani
8 hrs ago (02:42 AM)

We indian do not select leader of our religion like POPE..VATICAN..WE
ARE BROAD MINDED.AND NOT ONLY SONIA, FAITH OF EVERY CITIZEN IS PRIVATE
MATTER. THEN HOW SONIA ADDRESS SOME SECTION PEOPLE AS HINDU AND SOME
MUSLIM? IS SHE HAS PRIOR INFORMATION? RESPECTED SUPREME COURT.
Agree (5)Disagree (6)Recommend (1)

zam zam cola (amravati) replies to AMAR
5 hrs ago (05:21 AM)

Now sonia is armed with caste census.Don’t fool people that Indians
don’t vote based on religion.Whats the reason in Muslim dominated
areas party fields candidate among them.Seems you have lot of learning
to do.You comments are very naive.

PatrioticIndian (US) replies to Hindustani
8 hrs ago (02:32 AM)

Mr. Hindustani ?????? ..It’s not about narrow mind .. It’s a fair
critism to the idiots like you belongs to one religion but pretend to
follow other religion for public perception
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Ramesh (Kerala7) replies to Hindustani
9 hrs ago (02:17 AM)

The basic of Indian culture is Hinduism. and it does matter.. May not
be for you but to an Hindu who love his mother country..
Agree (7)Disagree (6)Recommend (6)

Michael (new york) replies to Ramesh
6 hrs ago (04:52 AM)

believing in a flying monkey with an underwear jumping from india to
sri lanka to rescue a kidnapped woman who ran away with a demon king
is indian? no thanks.
Agree (2)Disagree (4)Recommend (1)

Tacky (Online) replies to Michael
2 hrs ago (08:21 AM)

Still believable than having a baby from virgin. Isn’t it?
Agree (7)Disagree (1)Recommend (5)

Ramesh (UAE) replies to Tacky
44 mins ago (10:33 AM)

Excellent reply. You said it.

Chandu (Bangalore)
9 hrs ago (01:30 AM)

Absolutely ridiculous case- why don’t people do something worthwhile
with their time?
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zam zam cola (amravati) replies to Chandu
5 hrs ago (05:36 AM)

Hey chandu, have you told congress govt your caste.Can you ask the
same govt the caste and religion of its leader.Just try once, then you
will understand what right does this govt has.
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Carnival for cops during winter session
Soumittra S Bose
29 November 2010, 10:18 AM IST

Nagpur: Come winter every year and cops from all over Maharashtra
flock to the Orange city. Not to taste the juicy fruit for which the
city is famous but to ensure security of netas who come to attend the
winter session of state legislature held here.

The cops of different ranks are present in every nook and corner of
the city as a peace keeping agents. Forget orange, there would be
hardly any other colour visible in the city during the next fortnight
apart from Khaki. City police chief Ankush Dhanvijay, like Indian
cricket captain Mahindra Singh Dhoni, would be busy in setting the
field to plug the security breaches.

The roads would be blocked, traffic diverted, morchas would create
snarls and so on. While the police would be left jostling with the
crowd outside, the ruling and opposition parties would wrestle on the
floors of legislative houses. As tempers of commoners soar over the
restrictions, the cops would try to explain the vagaries of Naxalism
and terrorism to crowd. For the people though, the only issue would be
to get to their destination in shortest possible time.

While local cops know how to deal belligerent citizens, the personnel
from elsewhere are generally left wondering about the frayed tempers
of people here. “Is it the high summer temperature or Saoji food?”
remained a common question of the cops from other districts coming
here for the assembly duty over the years.

“I wonder how fast the women can drive their two-wheeler here and that
too covering their entire face. This is something to experience with
awe. In fact, the women here ride faster than some of the police
commandos” said a cop from another city who was here last year. Cops
who have had past experience know it is best to avoid arguing with a
Nagpurian. They look the other way as the disobedient citizens brazen
it out. They know creating a fracas would invite the media in no time.
Small political fry too would jump in for instant publicity and until
the incident is blown out of all proportions with original issue
getting lost in chaos.

Last year, a netaji had picked up a quarrel with a woman constable and
her sister at the entrance of Hyderabad House during the session. He
was berated in the media as the information spread like a forest fire.

Barring a few stressed out hearts, for most cops Nagpur presents an
interesting tour of duty. While the mature ones simply wait for the
sojourn to end, the younger ones generally take it as an opportunity
for a free Nagpur darshan without much effort. With mobile phones
stuck to their ears, some of them seem to enjoy the salubrious winter
weather of Nagpur in December casually taking a stroll.

“I heard Tibetans put up their stalls selling winter garments at cheap
prices here. Can you tell me where I can find them,” a constable had
queried last year when asked about his experience of session duty.
Getting up early and being ferried to their duty spot in rickety buses
or open trucks may leave them jaded, but they soon get acclimatised
and start enjoying the bumpy ride.

Saluting tainted netas may leave many gnashing their teeth, the cops
still enjoy their free evenings away from stress of police stations
where they would have otherwise been kept engaged. Sleeping in make-
shift tents may not be easy for them, but the city’s lush greenery
certainly soothes their souls away from home.

When the killer gets killed
Soumittra S Bose
01 November 2010, 08:32 AM IST

In Bollywood flicks, villains mostly are beaten to pulp as the movie
draws to an end. Reality often follows a different script. However,
even in real-life, sometimes villains slip into the very grave they
had dug for their victims.

In movies, victim who kills the villains draws applause. In real life,
the potential victim who kills his attacker is whisked away in
handcuffs by the cops. He is a murderer and cools his heels behind
bars. The so-called goon at times gets overpowered by the unexpected
counter-challenge of the minnow target. At other times, things go
wrong on its own like when a bomb going off before it could kept at
its target. Whatever the case, there are many Davids in the city who
have killed the Goliaths.

The latest murder of Sunil Latkar, alias Lalla, last week is one such
example. Latkar had a dominating presence in Bhuteshwar Nagar with two
cases against him. In the past, he had been hauled up for thrashing
others. His illicit relationship with a married woman pitted him
against woman’s brother Jagdish Pise, who opposed the sinful alliance.
Pise was no match to Latkar. In fact, he consciously tried to avoid
Latkar’s wrath.

Latkar would often intimidate Pise and probably planned a serious
attack on him. Last week he went to Pise’s residence with a sword. The
end was dramatic with Latkar himself lying in pool of blood when Pise
managed to snatch the sword and hit back with same weapon. Pise even
took Latkar’s sword to the police station as he surrendered.

Last year, assailants had a bitter lesson to learn when they were
heading on a bike to Lalganj in Lakadganj to kill a man on whom they
had accepted a ‘supari’. The assailants wanted to hurl a crude bomb on
the victim to eliminate him while he would be sleeping outside his
residence on a hot summer night. The plan turned out to be a disaster
for the killers who landed in hospital after bomb they were carrying
in the dickey went off when their two-wheeler jumped over a pothole
near Raj Bhavan.

In August, hardcore goon Pappu Deshbhratar faced the same fate in his
attempt to harass two brothers at Jai Bheem Chowk. Deshbhratar had
been just released from jail. One of the victim brothers had even gone
to Deshbhratar’s place to seek forgiveness for any wrong that had been
done by him. Deshbhratar ticked him off bragging about his influence
in the locality.

The brothers, sensing trouble, laid a trap for Deshbhratar and
eliminated him when he was returning from Nandanvan police station
after his routine reporting there. What the Shaikh brothers could not
be thought of even by many rivals of Deshbhratar’s.

Two such incidents took place in July 2008 under Jaripatka police
station. Murder accused Chinna Naidu was killed by cousins whom the
goon regularly harassed for money and liquor. Naidu was filthily
abusing the wife and mother of the cousins who took a stone and
crashed it on the skull of Naidu at old Punjabi Line. Earlier, four
youths eliminated a goon and murder accused Prashant Ramteke at
Barakholi. Ramteke was harassing one of them after his release from
the jail. The youths were also attacked by Ramteke. During a skirmish,
the youths snatched the sword from Ramteke and brought his end.

Comments:

Recommended (2)

Sachetak says:

November 01,2010 at 08:54 AM IST

By this narration of goons gettin killed due to their own mistakes;
what do you wish to convey?

All your articles are just gibberish. Will you please put some thought
into it instead of just wasting yours as well as others time. You have
been advised this by others many a times. Why is it not enetrin your
skull? If there is something wron please consult a shrink.

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(Reply to Sachetak)- sujit says:

November 02,2010 at 01:12 PM IST

He is just relating incidents from the crime scene. I find it pretty
interesting, though he could definitely do with an editor.
As for your comments here, please be polite as far as possible, if you
want more people to take you seriously.

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(Reply to Sachetak)- arpita says:

November 09,2010 at 03:24 PM IST

I feel this blog is knowledgeable for particular section of people
like adviocates, police dept. crime journalists, psychologists etc.it
cant be understood and accepted by everyone. its not every one’s cup
of tea

(Reply to Sachetak)- Berserker says:

November 23,2010 at 04:33 AM IST

Better stop reading if you don’t like this writer’s blogs. As simple
as that!

mshagv says:

November 01,2010 at 10:06 AM IST

Serious matter to ponder.

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Dr.GANESH says:

November 01,2010 at 03:35 PM IST

very weird..

sujit says:

November 02,2010 at 01:05 PM IST

Like in the case of Pise, if you kill someone in self defense, what
happens? What is the law in india in this case? Will the person get
bail and eventual freedom?

G says:

November 03,2010 at 05:37 PM IST

I have to agree with Mr. Sachetak on this post (while not agreeing
with the language) that while this post has entertainment value, it
seems to lack an opinion. More importantly, what measures would you
suggest for the potential victim, were he to kill his assailant. While
we sympathise with the victim, do we let him bypass due process? why
cannot the victim prove self-defence in such cases? Also,
@Mr.Sachetak, it would be to everyone’s beenfit, if you refrained from
reading, further posts in this coloumn.

arpita says:

November 09,2010 at 03:12 PM IST

i appreciate with your talent and writing skills.. such incidents do
happen which general public isn’t aware . Your articles make use
realize what different problems , funny incidences and experiences a
crime journalist faces ..keep it up

…and I am Sid Harth

Category: News, Views and Reviews

India’s Superpower Euphoria CXXXIX
DMJoshi
2010-11-30 07:03:55 UTC
Permalink
Sid, you are bent on destroying little good among the Dalits of India
by posting irrelevant in a thread that has nothing to do with your
agenda..

Looks Chinese Singaporean American(72.254.128.202) Anti-
DabianchenVirus has scared shit out of you making you hide here in Jai
Maharaj's arse.
India’s Superpower Euphoria CXLhttp://cogitoergosum.co.cc/2010/11/30/indias-superpower-euphoria-cxl/
…and I am Sid Harth
Category: News, Views and Reviews
India’s Superpower Euphoria CXXXIX
Art Sowers
2010-11-30 10:31:10 UTC
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I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
No, you wrote that you had contracted HIV from having sex with someone's
mother.
He also made reference some time ago (maybe 1-2 months? more than a few
weeks ago) to screwing someone else's daughters, too. Maybe he is a closet
sex-offender, too?
I should try to find that post. It is priceless.
In response to your Indians having too much sex, I referred to
revolution in Christianity and referred you to a book by Erikson.
There was something else too I wrote in context of child benefits in
France, produce more get more returns from tax payers money.
I think it is more important to find that post you authored about you
screwing other peoples wives and daughters.

Oh, look, I just found it (see below)....forgot your wish about mothers,
too.


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It is a good news. Bye, bye guys. You are not going to be missed.
Stay cool and keep your wives from immolation.
They are going to be missed by your mothers, wives and daughters.
Latter will have less hindy dicks to come.
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I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
No, you wrote that you had contracted HIV from having sex with someone's
mother.
He also made reference some time ago (maybe 1-2 months? more than a few
weeks ago) to screwing someone else's daughters, too. Maybe he is a closet
sex-offender, too?
I should try to find that post. It is priceless.
In response to your Indians having too much sex, I referred to
revolution in Christianity and referred you to a book by Erikson.
There was something else too I wrote in context of child benefits in
France, produce more get more returns from tax payers money.
I think it is more important to find that post you authored about you
screwing other peoples wives and daughters.
Having brought sex in conversation how come you are making huge
efforts to avoid it directed your problems with it?
Post by Art Sowers
Oh, look, I just found it (see below)....forgot your wish about mothers,
too.
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It is a good news. Bye, bye guys. You are not going to be missed.
Stay cool and keep your wives from immolation.
They are going to be missed by your mothers, wives and daughters.
Latter will have less hindy dicks to come.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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[...]
Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
No, you wrote that you had contracted HIV from having sex with someone's
mother.
He also made reference some time ago (maybe 1-2 months? more than a few
weeks ago) to screwing someone else's daughters, too. Maybe he is a closet
sex-offender, too?
I should try to find that post. It is priceless.
In response to your Indians having too much sex, I referred to
revolution in Christianity and referred you to a book by Erikson.
There was something else too I wrote in context of child benefits in
France, produce more get more returns from tax payers money.
I think it is more important to find that post you authored about you
screwing other peoples wives and daughters.
Having brought sex in conversation how come you are making huge
efforts to avoid it directed your problems with it?
You were the one who started this back in August this year (see below).

I also wanted to know why you wished to screw other peoples mothers,
wives, and daughters, too.

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Oh, look, I just found it (see below)....forgot your wish about mothers,
too.
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professionals.
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Post by Art Sowers
It is a good news. Bye, bye guys. You are not going to be missed.
Stay cool and keep your wives from immolation.
They are going to be missed by your mothers, wives and daughters.
Latter will have less hindy dicks to come.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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This poo calling itself old is fouler than the PoS Mongre.
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
[...]
Post by Art Sowers
I spend more time per day with my wife than here on NGs.
And, you had no intelligent thing to say here, either?
I did respond to your sex issue somewhere, did I not?
No, you wrote that you had contracted HIV from having sex with someone's
mother.
He also made reference some time ago (maybe 1-2 months? more than a few
weeks ago) to screwing someone else's daughters, too. Maybe he is a closet
sex-offender, too?
I should try to find that post. It is priceless.
In response to your Indians having too much sex, I referred to
revolution in Christianity and referred you to a book by Erikson.
There was something else too I wrote in context of child benefits in
France, produce more get more returns from tax payers money.
I think it is more important to find that post you authored about you
screwing other peoples wives and daughters.
Having brought sex in conversation how come you are making huge
efforts to avoid it directed your problems with it?
You were the one who started this back in August this year (see below).
In any direct follow up of your post?
Post by Art Sowers
I also wanted to know why you wished to screw other peoples mothers,
wives, and daughters, too.
I think an explanation was supplied by you or you buddy, referring to
knoves or something.
Those who post here like pimps and snobs at the same time deserved
being hurled the best abuse I know of.
Post by Art Sowers
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Post by Art Sowers
Oh, look, I just found it (see below)....forgot your wish about mothers,
too.
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********************>> According to an industry estimate, more than 60,000 Indian
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professionals went
back to their country last year alone, a majority of them IT
professionals.
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It is a good news. Bye, bye guys. You are not going to be missed.
Stay cool and keep your wives from immolation.
They are going to be missed by your mothers, wives and daughters.
Latter will have less hindy dicks to come.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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This poo calling itself old is fouler than the PoS Mongre.
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DMJoshi
2010-11-29 09:31:23 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there.
Who didn't know how to defend themselves, like poor victims of sati,
thugee, and 3,000 years of wars in India, poor victims of infanticide in
India, etc.
There were cases of Satis that was like that Buddhist Monk in Vietnam

http://www.desivideonetwork.com/view/190d4s09z/self-immolation-of-a-buddhist-monk/

Try following for more videos.

How many natives of USA, Canada, Australia and the rest invaded by
surplus European Christian whites killed themselves to make space for
the "superior" lot which still thinks they are superior?
It is only you who have developed doubts about white superiority which
you have been trying to get out of from in public since 1997, and will
keep trying without success till you kick the bucket in the manner of
"It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World"
Watch

Post by Art Sowers
  So now they have to
Post by DMJoshi
bribe whites to produce more. Does US still pay per child some money
till the child get to working age?
Some tax exemption, far too little to matter.
Would you have tried harder if it was like in France?
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Post by DMJoshi
It is arrogance to those who contantly demand "respect"
You mean yourself?
  despite not
Post by DMJoshi
being worthy of any respect.
You mean yourself?
Just get one instance where I have written about any of my
correspondents that it does not respect me.
Art Sowers
2010-11-29 13:02:37 UTC
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Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there.
Who didn't know how to defend themselves, like poor victims of sati,
thugee, and 3,000 years of wars in India, poor victims of infanticide in
India, etc.
There were cases of Satis that was like that Buddhist Monk in Vietnam
How many was that? Why didn't you give better citation for hari-kari in
Japan?
Post by DMJoshi
http://www.desivideonetwork.com/view/190d4s09z/self-immolation-of-a-buddhist-monk/
Try following for more videos.
How many natives of USA, Canada, Australia and the rest invaded by
surplus European Christian whites killed themselves to make space for
the "superior" lot which still thinks they are superior?
Why don't you answer my question first about this...

India's 3,000 years of caste discrimination, wars, Thuggee ritual murder,
Sati burning of Indian widows after husband dies, infanticide, child slave
labor, "honor killing," "accidental" kitchen fires to get rid of wife if
there is a dowry dispute, and the eastern 1/4 of the country under
Naxalite/Maoist control.
Post by DMJoshi
It is only you who have developed doubts about white superiority which
you have been trying to get out of from in public since 1997,
Oh, is that the date of that letter you dug up for dirt and I don't
remember any of it, besides being not what I thought at the time and not
what I think now?

Yes, you are same as Maharaj. Make large dirt out of dust particle. Don't
do anything except make large dirt, or try to make large dirt.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is arrogance to those who contantly demand "respect"
You mean yourself?
  despite not
Post by DMJoshi
being worthy of any respect.
You mean yourself?
Just get one instance where I have written about any of my
correspondents that it does not respect me.
You mean because you put yourself on a pedestal all the time?
DMJoshi
2010-11-29 13:17:29 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there.
Who didn't know how to defend themselves, like poor victims of sati,
thugee, and 3,000 years of wars in India, poor victims of infanticide in
India, etc.
There were cases of Satis that was like that Buddhist Monk in Vietnam
How many was that? Why didn't you give better citation for hari-kari in
Japan?
Most of them. Particularly when Muslim hordes attacked.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
http://www.desivideonetwork.com/view/190d4s09z/self-immolation-of-a-b...
Try following for more videos.
How many natives of USA, Canada, Australia and the rest  invaded by
surplus European Christian whites killed themselves to make space for
the "superior" lot which still thinks they are superior?
Why don't you answer my question first about this...
India's 3,000 years of caste discrimination, wars, Thuggee ritual murder,
Sati burning of Indian widows after husband dies, infanticide, child slave
labor, "honor killing," "accidental" kitchen fires to get rid of wife if
there is a dowry dispute, and the eastern 1/4 of the country under
Naxalite/Maoist control.
Which tells me that you want to justify sins of White Christians by
going into your fantasy land,
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is only you who have developed doubts about white superiority which
you have been trying to get out of from in public since 1997,
Oh, is that the date of that letter you dug up for dirt and I don't
remember any of it, besides being not what I thought at the time and not
what I think now?
Sure you will claim to be innocent of you hatred for Indian(Hindus).
Post by Art Sowers
Yes, you are same as Maharaj. Make large dirt out of dust particle. Don't
do anything except make large dirt, or try to make large dirt.
But you are a Maharaj fan club member.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is arrogance to those who contantly demand "respect"
You mean yourself?
  despite not
Post by DMJoshi
being worthy of any respect.
You mean yourself?
Just get one instance where I have written about any of my
correspondents that it does not respect me.
You mean because you put yourself on a pedestal all the time?
I cannot help you if in your mind you keep seeing me on pedestal.
Art Sowers
2010-11-29 14:31:52 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there.
Who didn't know how to defend themselves, like poor victims of sati,
thugee, and 3,000 years of wars in India, poor victims of infanticide in
India, etc.
There were cases of Satis that was like that Buddhist Monk in Vietnam
How many was that? Why didn't you give better citation for hari-kari in
Japan?
Most of them. Particularly when Muslim hordes attacked.
How about Mount Massad, they did suicide to avoid capture. No Christian,
no Muslim, no Hindus.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
http://www.desivideonetwork.com/view/190d4s09z/self-immolation-of-a-b...
Try following for more videos.
How many natives of USA, Canada, Australia and the rest  invaded by
surplus European Christian whites killed themselves to make space for
the "superior" lot which still thinks they are superior?
Why don't you answer my question first about this...
India's 3,000 years of caste discrimination, wars, Thuggee ritual murder,
Sati burning of Indian widows after husband dies, infanticide, child slave
labor, "honor killing," "accidental" kitchen fires to get rid of wife if
there is a dowry dispute, and the eastern 1/4 of the country under
Naxalite/Maoist control.
Which tells me that you want to justify sins of White Christians by
going into your fantasy land,
No, it is YOUR true Hindu history, even by Hindu/Indian authors.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is only you who have developed doubts about white superiority which
you have been trying to get out of from in public since 1997,
Oh, is that the date of that letter you dug up for dirt and I don't
remember any of it, besides being not what I thought at the time and not
what I think now?
Sure you will claim to be innocent of you hatred for Indian(Hindus).
Where is any proof of hatred for Indian/Hindus that is even close to
very high Indian/Hindu hatred (like you) for Christians/Americans/Muslims?
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Yes, you are same as Maharaj. Make large dirt out of dust particle. Don't
do anything except make large dirt, or try to make large dirt.
But you are a Maharaj fan club member.
Another lie.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is arrogance to those who contantly demand "respect"
You mean yourself?
  despite not
Post by DMJoshi
being worthy of any respect.
You mean yourself?
Just get one instance where I have written about any of my
correspondents that it does not respect me.
You mean because you put yourself on a pedestal all the time?
I cannot help you if in your mind you keep seeing me on pedestal.
In my mind you are not on pedestal, but you talk all the time like you
are.
DMJoshi
2010-11-29 17:57:53 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there.
Who didn't know how to defend themselves, like poor victims of sati,
thugee, and 3,000 years of wars in India, poor victims of infanticide in
India, etc.
There were cases of Satis that was like that Buddhist Monk in Vietnam
How many was that? Why didn't you give better citation for hari-kari in
Japan?
Most of them. Particularly when Muslim hordes attacked.
How about Mount Massad,
What is that?
I was telling you how is it that USA, Canada, Australia has less
desity of Population.
You got into your usual rant.
Tell me what period you were told by historians you read of thugee?
Post by Art Sowers
they did suicide to avoid capture. No Christian,
no Muslim, no Hindus.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
http://www.desivideonetwork.com/view/190d4s09z/self-immolation-of-a-b...
Try following for more videos.
How many natives of USA, Canada, Australia and the rest  invaded by
surplus European Christian whites killed themselves to make space for
the "superior" lot which still thinks they are superior?
Why don't you answer my question first about this...
India's 3,000 years of caste discrimination, wars, Thuggee ritual murder,
Sati burning of Indian widows after husband dies, infanticide, child slave
labor, "honor killing," "accidental" kitchen fires to get rid of wife if
there is a dowry dispute, and the eastern 1/4 of the country under
Naxalite/Maoist control.
I have asked one question above.
Arindam told you otherwise about your rant of "the eastern 1/4 of the
country under Naxalite/Maoist control", but you want to follow CIA
agenda.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Which tells me that you want to justify sins of White Christians by
going into your fantasy land,
No, it is YOUR true Hindu history, even by Hindu/Indian authors.
You did not report on that when you were publishing your reviews here.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
It is only you who have developed doubts about white superiority which
you have been trying to get out of from in public since 1997,
Oh, is that the date of that letter you dug up for dirt and I don't
remember any of it, besides being not what I thought at the time and not
what I think now?
Sure you will claim to be innocent of you hatred for Indian(Hindus).
Where is any proof of hatred for Indian/Hindus that is even close to
very high Indian/Hindu hatred (like you) for Christians/Americans/Muslims?
That has kept you glued to soc.culture.indian for so many years,
surely not to learn anything from them.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Yes, you are same as Maharaj. Make large dirt out of dust particle. Don't
do anything except make large dirt, or try to make large dirt.
But you are a Maharaj fan club member.
Another lie.
I asked you to check number of posts of yours there, Out of 505
against me since 2005 February, I very much doubt there would be any
that I intentionally let go there.You put 2003 there in 12 months.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
You mean because you put yourself on a pedestal all the time?
I cannot help you if in your mind you keep seeing me on pedestal.
In my mind you are not on pedestal, but you talk all the time like you
are.
Do you have to listen?
Art Sowers
2010-11-29 20:05:34 UTC
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While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there.
Who didn't know how to defend themselves, like poor victims of sati,
thugee, and 3,000 years of wars in India, poor victims of infanticide in
India, etc.
There were cases of Satis that was like that Buddhist Monk in Vietnam
How many was that? Why didn't you give better citation for hari-kari in
Japan?
Most of them. Particularly when Muslim hordes attacked.
How about Mount Massad,
What is that?
I was telling you how is it that USA, Canada, Australia has less
desity of Population.
And, Hindu/Moslem ratio is 10 to 1 still after Muslim hordes?
Post by DMJoshi
You got into your usual rant.
You are always in usual rant mode.
Post by DMJoshi
Tell me what period you were told by historians you read of thugee?
I only posted below at least 10-20 times by now, you can't learn to copy
and paste to save on your computer, you have to ask me?

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http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm#ThugSutt

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India

Religious practices outlawed under Wm. Bentinck, r.1828-35

Suttee (Sati) (from time immemorial to 1829)
Sakuntala Narasimhan, Sati: widow burning in India
7941 widows burned alive in the Bengal Presidency, 1815-28
According to Rammohun Roy, almost ten times more incidents in
Bengal than elsewhere

ANALYSIS: This indicates that there were some 8735 (=1.1 x 7941) satis
in all of India in 14 years, or around 62,400 in a century. Naturally,
this should be adjusted for population changes, shifting religious
traditions, etc., but it does point to a century total numbered
in the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands or
mere thousands.


Thuggee (Thagi) (13th C. to ca. 1838)
13 Oct. 2001 Toronto Star: 1M people strangled. (Points out that some
modern scholars doubt the full, legendary extent of the cult, perhaps
even its existence. This debate has quashed the publication of a new
book, The Wayfarers: Human Sacrifice Throughout Time And Around The
World by Daniel Wood, which is too bad because you can never have too
many children's books about human sacrifice.)

6 Jan. 2001 Birmingham Post: Worst known serial killer in history was
Indian Thug Behram, who strangled at least 931 victims in the Uttar
Pradesh district of India 1790-1840
Kevin Rushby (Children of Kali: Through India in Search of Bandits,
the Thug Cult and the British Raj (2002)) considers the Thugs a myth.
14 May 2005 Daily Telegraph (London) review of Thug: the True Story of
India's Murderous Cult by Mike Dash: "James [Sleeman] calculated that
Thugs had killed 50,000 people a year for up to 700 years, [but] Dash
arrives at a more reasonable figure of perhaps 50,000 victims in total."

Michael Newton, Holy Homicide (1998)
British authorities est. 40,000 Thug-related homicides in 1812 alone.
4,500 Thugs convicted, and 110 executed, 1830-48
George Bruce, The Stranglers: The cult of Thuggee and its overthrow in
British India (1968)
40,000 travellers died in India in 1812, "as indeed they had done every
year that records had been kept."

Estimated 4-5,000 Thugs in India, early 19thC
Individual tallies
Thug Rumzam: 604 killings in 21 years
He led gangs of 30-40, and saw 80-90 murders/year
Thug Buhram: 931 killings in 40 years
One gang of 125 in 3 months of 1831 murdered 108 victims.
Another gang of 60 in 8 months of 1831 murdered 201 victims.
unnamed gang of 50 members in Jubbulpore Dist.
Thug Feringeea spent some time with one gang of 100, another gang of 150.

In one grove, randomly selected as a campsite by Capt. Sleeman, the
Brits found 17 bodies from 3 different attacks.
Not-quite-scholarly sources:
Movie reviews for The Deceivers
3 Oct. 1988 Toronto Star: 2M murders
2 Sept. 1988 Bergen Record: 2M
Wm Saffire, "On Language", NYT 23 May 1999: œM+

ANALYSIS
The simplest way of estimating total Thug killings is to multiply the only
fairly complete, well-documented number (40,000/yr in 1812) by the 600
years of activity = 24 million, which leaves most people shaking their
heads in disbelief. Twenty-four million based on a single statistic?
That can't be right, can it?

So, then, most people drop the idea of attaching a number, and just declare
that the Thugs killed "millions". Later estimates then translate "millions"
conservatively: "over a million", "two million or more", like that.

Another approach would be to take Bruce's estimate that, on average, each
Thug went on ten hunting expeditions during his lifetime and participated
in ten attacks on each expedition. That makes an average of 100 murders per
Thug. The approximately 4,500 Thugs at work in the early 19th C. would then
be responsible for 450,000 murders all told. With each generation of Thugs
having a productive life of about 33 years (ages 17-50), that means that
each century would see 3 generations (1,350,000 murders/century). In 600
years, that would come to 8.1 million.

An even more complicated calculation would be to figure the average
number of killings per year per Thug

Well, we only have 2 specific lifetime totals -- Rumzam @ ca. 30/yr and
Behram @ ca. 20/yr -- and these are the extrordinary cases.
Of the three gangs whose statistics are given
201/60/0.67=5 murders per year per Thug
108/125/0.25=3.5 murders per year per Thug
Rumzam's gang: 2-3 murders per year per Thug
@ 2 to 5 murders per-year-per-Thug and 4-5,000 Thugs, we get 0.8M to 2.5M
killings per century. Picking the mid-factors (3.5 x 4500) we get 1,575,000
in a century, or 9.45M in 600 years.
Or, instead, we could approach this from a per-gang average ...
The mean size of the gangs listed (or implied) here is about 80.
Average number of gangs at work: 4500 Thugs divided into gangs of 80 = 55
gangs ±

The mean number of murders per gang per year is about 275. That comes
to 15,125 Thug murders per year, or 9,075,000 in six centuries.
CONCLUSIONS

My various calculations come to 24.0M or 9.5M or 9.1M or 8.1M Thug murders
in 600 years, so nine million is a possibilty. But then so is Dash's 50,000,
so who knows?

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Post by Art Sowers
they did suicide to avoid capture. No Christian,
no Muslim, no Hindus.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
http://www.desivideonetwork.com/view/190d4s09z/self-immolation-of-a-b...
Try following for more videos.
How many natives of USA, Canada, Australia and the rest  invaded by
surplus European Christian whites killed themselves to make space for
the "superior" lot which still thinks they are superior?
Why don't you answer my question first about this...
India's 3,000 years of caste discrimination, wars, Thuggee ritual murder,
Sati burning of Indian widows after husband dies, infanticide, child slave
labor, "honor killing," "accidental" kitchen fires to get rid of wife if
there is a dowry dispute, and the eastern 1/4 of the country under
Naxalite/Maoist control.
I have asked one question above.
Arindam told you otherwise about your rant of "the eastern 1/4 of the
country under Naxalite/Maoist control", but you want to follow CIA
agenda.
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Which tells me that you want to justify sins of White Christians by
going into your fantasy land,
No, it is YOUR true Hindu history, even by Hindu/Indian authors.
You did not report on that when you were publishing your reviews here.
You were either not reading, not paying attention, or your memory banks
turned off, or combinations of all three.

Here are a few more....

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About 2,800 books om Amazon,com with "ancient India" in title.

Looked at 576 titiles

Sellected ones below...

---------------

Warfare in Ancient India: Organizational and Operational
Dimensions by Thapliyal and Uma Prasad (Hardcover - Jan 26, 2010)

An Introduction to Homicide in India Ancient and Early Medieval
Period by Upendra Thakur (Paperback - Jun 15, 2003)

Corruption in Ancient India by Upendra Thakur (Paperback - Jun 15, 2003)

Scams in India: From Ancient Times to 1992 Mega Bank Scam
by M. Halayya (Hardcover - May 1993)

The Battle for Ancient India by Dilip K. Chakrabarti
(Paperback - Jul 30, 2008)

Slavery in Ancient India as Depicted in Pali and Sanskrit
Texts by Dev Raj, Foreward By J. Filliozat Chanana (Paperback - 1960)

War in Ancient India by V. R. Ramachandra Dikshitar
(Hardcover - Jun 2004)

Espionage in Ancient India (From the Earliest Time to 12th
Century a.D.) by Gayatri Chakraborty (Hardcover - Dec 1990)

Indigenous banking in ancient & medieval India, by Brijkishore
Bhargava (Unknown Binding - 1935)

Ancient Indian Warfare: With Special Reference to the Vedic Period by Sarva Daman Singh (Hardcover - Feb 5, 1990)

Evolution of Law and Crimes in Ancient India by Ramesh S. Betai
(Hardcover - Oct 15, 2003)

Some Ksatriya Tribes of Ancient India by Bimala Churn Law
(Hardcover - Sep 30, 2009)

The Art of War in Ancient India by P.C. Chakravarti
(Hardcover - Nov 30, 2004)

The King's Warrior: A Story of Ancient India (Read-It! Chapter Books) by
Jessica Gunderson and Caroline Hu (Library Binding - Feb 4, 2009)

Crime and Punishment in Ancient India by S. Das (Hardcover - Oct 1, 1990)

On Human Sacrifices In Ancient India (1876) by Rajendralala Mitra
(Hardcover - May 23, 2010)

Ksatriyas in Ancient India by Madhumita Chatterji (Hardcover - Jan 15, 2007)

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Post by DMJoshi
It is only you who have developed doubts about white superiority which
you have been trying to get out of from in public since 1997,
Oh, is that the date of that letter you dug up for dirt and I don't
remember any of it, besides being not what I thought at the time and not
what I think now?
Sure you will claim to be innocent of you hatred for Indian(Hindus).
Where is any proof of hatred for Indian/Hindus that is even close to
very high Indian/Hindu hatred (like you) for Christians/Americans/Muslims?
That has kept you glued to soc.culture.indian for so many years,
surely not to learn anything from them.
Oh, on the contrary. I learned many things from sci. Including good-smart
guys including Arindam (except when he is in pissy mood), good-smart guy
like Mallu (except his hot buttons), good-smart guy like Rajah who is
knowledgeable, fair, and articulate (unlike you), and even Ranjit Mathews
who is also articulate-smart guys, and I think moderate and fair (no or
very little anti-American snot, like you). Many others also who I don't
know if Indian (eg. "Hari.kumar" who is also smart-knowledgeable-fair guy
who fights jDoc bullshit). Etc.

If it were not for Arindam, I would not have read two books, by Indians,
on ancient & medieval warfare in India, basically same story as other
history of India by non-Indians.
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Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Yes, you are same as Maharaj. Make large dirt out of dust particle. Don't
do anything except make large dirt, or try to make large dirt.
But you are a Maharaj fan club member.
Another lie.
I asked you to check number of posts of yours there, Out of 505
against me since 2005 February,
What about all your posts against me, and USA?

I very much doubt there would be any
Post by DMJoshi
that I intentionally let go there.You put 2003 there in 12 months.
What about your posts, Mahraj's anti-US posts, how about "indiaBPOking"
how about Kamal Prasad's anti-US Jihad? Tambi Dude, and "[fake]godfather"
who also did IDtheft on me? Now we have Boltbus Driver who can't defend
himself, either.
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
Post by DMJoshi
Post by Art Sowers
You mean because you put yourself on a pedestal all the time?
I cannot help you if in your mind you keep seeing me on pedestal.
In my mind you are not on pedestal, but you talk all the time like you
are.
Do you have to listen?
Do you have to tell only one (bad) side of all stories about USA?
DMJoshi
2010-11-30 06:47:36 UTC
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Post by DMJoshi
While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there.
Who didn't know how to defend themselves, like poor victims of sati,
thugee, and 3,000 years of wars in India, poor victims of infanticide in
India, etc.
There were cases of Satis that was like that Buddhist Monk in Vietnam
How many was that? Why didn't you give better citation for hari-kari in
Japan?
Most of them. Particularly when Muslim hordes attacked.
How about Mount Massad,
What is that?
I was telling you how is it that USA, Canada, Australia has less
desity of Population.
And, Hindu/Moslem ratio is 10 to 1 still after Muslim hordes?
Post by DMJoshi
You got into your usual rant.
You are always in usual rant mode.
Post by DMJoshi
Tell me what period you were told by historians you read of thugee?
I only posted below at least 10-20 times by now, you can't learn to copy
and paste to save on your computer, you have to ask me?
Again I ask, when was thugee practised? During the times of Ashoka,
around 265 BC ?
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India
Religious practices outlawed under Wm. Bentinck, r.1828-35
Suttee (Sati) (from time immemorial to 1829)
Sakuntala Narasimhan, Sati: widow burning in India
7941 widows burned alive in the Bengal Presidency, 1815-28
According to Rammohun Roy, almost ten times more incidents in
Bengal than elsewhere
ANALYSIS: This indicates that there were some 8735 (=1.1 x 7941) satis
in all of India in 14 years, or around 62,400 in a century. Naturally,
this should be adjusted for population changes, shifting religious
traditions, etc., but it does point to a century total numbered
in the tens of thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands or
mere thousands.
Thuggee (Thagi) (13th C. to ca. 1838)
13 Oct. 2001 Toronto Star: 1M people strangled. (Points out that some
modern scholars doubt the full, legendary extent of the cult, perhaps
even its existence. This debate has quashed the publication of a new
book, The Wayfarers: Human Sacrifice Throughout Time And Around The
World by Daniel Wood, which is too bad because you can never have too
many children's books about human sacrifice.)
6 Jan. 2001 Birmingham Post: Worst known serial killer in history was
Indian Thug Behram, who strangled at least 931 victims in the Uttar
Pradesh district of India 1790-1840
Kevin Rushby (Children of Kali: Through India in Search of Bandits,
the Thug Cult and the British Raj (2002)) considers the Thugs a myth.
14 May 2005 Daily Telegraph (London) review of Thug: the True Story of
India's Murderous Cult by Mike Dash: "James [Sleeman] calculated that
Thugs had killed 50,000 people a year for up to 700 years, [but] Dash
arrives at a more reasonable figure of perhaps 50,000 victims in total."
Michael Newton, Holy Homicide (1998)
British authorities est. 40,000 Thug-related homicides in 1812 alone.
4,500 Thugs convicted, and 110 executed, 1830-48
George Bruce, The Stranglers: The cult of Thuggee and its overthrow in
British India (1968)
40,000 travellers died in India in 1812, "as indeed they had done every
year that records had been kept."
Estimated 4-5,000 Thugs in India, early 19thC
Individual tallies
Thug Rumzam: 604 killings in 21 years
He led gangs of 30-40, and saw 80-90 murders/year
Thug Buhram: 931 killings in 40 years
One gang of 125 in 3 months of 1831 murdered 108 victims.
Another gang of 60 in 8 months of 1831 murdered 201 victims.
unnamed gang of 50 members in Jubbulpore Dist.
Thug Feringeea spent some time with one gang of 100, another gang of 150.
In one grove, randomly selected as a campsite by Capt. Sleeman, the
Brits found 17 bodies from 3 different attacks.
Movie reviews for The Deceivers
3 Oct. 1988 Toronto Star: 2M murders
2 Sept. 1988 Bergen Record: 2M
Wm Saffire, "On Language", NYT 23 May 1999: ½M+
ANALYSIS
The simplest way of estimating total Thug killings is to multiply the only
fairly complete, well-documented number (40,000/yr in 1812) by the 600
years of activity = 24 million, which leaves most people shaking their
heads in disbelief. Twenty-four million based on a single statistic?
That can't be right, can it?
So, then, most people drop the idea of attaching a number, and just declare
that the Thugs killed "millions". Later estimates then translate "millions"
conservatively: "over a million", "two million or more", like that.
Another approach would be to take Bruce's estimate that, on average, each
Thug went on ten hunting expeditions during his lifetime and participated
in ten attacks on each expedition. That makes an average of 100 murders per
Thug. The approximately 4,500 Thugs at work in the early 19th C. would then
be responsible for 450,000 murders all told. With each generation of Thugs
having a productive life of about 33 years (ages 17-50), that means that
each century would see 3 generations (1,350,000 murders/century). In 600
years, that would come to 8.1 million.
An even more complicated calculation would be to figure the average
number of killings per year per Thug
Of the three gangs whose statistics are given
201/60/0.67=5 murders per year per Thug
108/125/0.25=3.5 murders per year per Thug
Rumzam's gang: 2-3 murders per year per Thug
@ 2 to 5 murders per-year-per-Thug and 4-5,000 Thugs, we get 0.8M to 2.5M
killings per century. Picking the mid-factors (3.5 x 4500) we get 1,575,000
in a century, or 9.45M in 600 years.
Or, instead, we could approach this from a per-gang average ...
The mean size of the gangs listed (or implied) here is about 80.
Average number of gangs at work: 4500 Thugs divided into gangs of 80 = 55
gangs ±
The mean number of murders per gang per year is about 275. That comes
to 15,125 Thug murders per year, or 9,075,000 in six centuries.
CONCLUSIONS
My various calculations come to 24.0M or 9.5M or 9.1M or 8.1M Thug murders
in 600 years, so nine million is a possibilty. But then so is Dash's 50,000,
so who knows?
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they did suicide to avoid capture. No Christian,
no Muslim, no Hindus.
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http://www.desivideonetwork.com/view/190d4s09z/self-immolation-of-a-b...
Try following for more videos.
How many natives of USA, Canada, Australia and the rest  invaded by
surplus European Christian whites killed themselves to make space for
the "superior" lot which still thinks they are superior?
Why don't you answer my question first about this...
India's 3,000 years of caste discrimination, wars, Thuggee ritual murder,
Sati burning of Indian widows after husband dies, infanticide, child slave
labor, "honor killing," "accidental" kitchen fires to get rid of wife if
there is a dowry dispute, and the eastern 1/4 of the country under
Naxalite/Maoist control.
I have asked one question above.
Arindam told you otherwise about your rant of "the eastern 1/4 of the
country under  Naxalite/Maoist control", but you want  to follow CIA
agenda.
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Which tells me that you want to justify sins of White Christians by
going into your fantasy land,
No, it is YOUR true Hindu history, even by Hindu/Indian authors.
You did not report on that when you were publishing your reviews here.
You were either not reading, not paying attention, or your memory banks
turned off, or combinations of all three.
Here are a few more....
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About 2,800 books om Amazon,com with "ancient India" in title.
Looked at 576 titiles
Sellected  ones below...
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Warfare in Ancient India: Organizational and Operational
Dimensions by Thapliyal and Uma Prasad (Hardcover - Jan 26, 2010)
An Introduction to Homicide in India Ancient and Early Medieval
Period by Upendra Thakur (Paperback - Jun 15, 2003)
Corruption in Ancient India by Upendra Thakur (Paperback - Jun 15, 2003)
Scams in India: From Ancient Times to 1992 Mega Bank Scam
by M. Halayya (Hardcover - May 1993)
The Battle for Ancient India by Dilip K. Chakrabarti
(Paperback - Jul 30, 2008)
Slavery in Ancient India as Depicted in Pali and Sanskrit
Texts by Dev Raj, Foreward By J. Filliozat Chanana (Paperback - 1960)
War in Ancient India by V. R. Ramachandra Dikshitar
(Hardcover - Jun 2004)
Espionage in Ancient India (From the Earliest Time to 12th
Century a.D.) by Gayatri Chakraborty (Hardcover - Dec 1990)
Indigenous banking in ancient & medieval India, by Brijkishore
Bhargava (Unknown Binding - 1935)
Ancient Indian Warfare: With Special Reference to the Vedic Period by Sarva Daman Singh (Hardcover - Feb 5, 1990)
Evolution of Law and Crimes in Ancient India by Ramesh S. Betai
(Hardcover - Oct 15, 2003)
Some Ksatriya Tribes of Ancient India by Bimala Churn Law
(Hardcover - Sep 30, 2009)
The Art of War in Ancient India by P.C. Chakravarti
(Hardcover - Nov 30, 2004)
The King's Warrior: A Story of Ancient India (Read-It! Chapter Books) by
Jessica Gunderson and Caroline Hu (Library Binding - Feb 4, 2009)
Crime and Punishment in Ancient India by S. Das (Hardcover - Oct 1, 1990)
On Human Sacrifices In Ancient India (1876) by Rajendralala Mitra
(Hardcover - May 23, 2010)
Ksatriyas in Ancient India by Madhumita Chatterji (Hardcover - Jan 15, 2007)
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It is only you who have developed doubts about white superiority which
you have been trying to get out of from in public since 1997,
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While in USA, Canada, Australia got inhabited by the surplus of whites
in Europe and they killed off the natives there.
Who didn't know how to defend themselves, like poor victims of sati,
thugee, and 3,000 years of wars in India, poor victims of infanticide in
India, etc.
There were cases of Satis that was like that Buddhist Monk in Vietnam
How many was that? Why didn't you give better citation for hari-kari in
Japan?
Most of them. Particularly when Muslim hordes attacked.
How about Mount Massad,
What is that?
I was telling you how is it that USA, Canada, Australia has less
desity of Population.
And, Hindu/Moslem ratio is 10 to 1 still after Muslim hordes?
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You got into your usual rant.
You are always in usual rant mode.
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Tell me what period you were told by historians you read of thugee?
I only posted below at least 10-20 times by now, you can't learn to copy
and paste to save on your computer, you have to ask me?
Again I ask, when was thugee practised? During the times of Ashoka,
around 265 BC ?
If you don't like the answers in the below website (courtesy of Mallu, by
the way), you can read wiki... here it is...for what it knows about
Thuggee....

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*Thuggee* (or *tuggee*, *à€ à€~Wà¥~Mà€~Wà¥~@* /á¹­hagÄ«/) (from Hindi </wiki/Hindi> à€ à€~W
/á¹­hag/ â~@~Xthiefâ~@~Y, from Sanskrit </wiki/Sanskrit> à€žà¥~Mà€¥à€~W /sthaga/ â~@~Xcunningâ~@~Y,
â~@~Xslyâ~@~Y, â~@~Xfraudulentâ~@~Y, â~@~Xdishonestâ~@~Y, â~@~Xscoundrelâ~@~Y, from
à€žà¥~Mà€¥à€~Wà€€à€¿ /sthagati/ â~@~Xhe
concealsâ~@~Y)^[1] <#cite_note-0> is the term for a particular kind of
murder and robbery of travellers in India </wiki/History_of_India>.

The English word "thug <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/thug>" is a
truncation of 'thuggee'. It is one of many Indian words borrowed into
English during the British colonial period. The English connotation of
'thug' is synonymous with terms like hoodlum
<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoodlum> and hooligan </wiki/Hooligan>,
indicating a person (who may or may not be anti-social) who harasses
others, usually for hire. People regarded as thugs might commit assault
(or 'menace'), battery, even robbery and grievous bodily harm, but they
usually stop short of murder. Additionally, "thugs" usually travel in
pairs, though they /can/ work alone or in groups of four to six members,
and are typically open about their presence (except to law enforcement
officials); while "Thugg/ee/" were covert and operated as members of a
group, often called a "Thuggee cult" by the British. Hence,